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*Official* New Zealand in Pakistan
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luckyeddie
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hehmarc71178 said:
lord_of_darkness
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the only thing coming out of this tour thats a positive.. is that our emerging talent is being shown..marshall..jones are good enough to easily take a spot in a final nz XI
Tim
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Marshall definately for ODI's & maybe tests..but definately not Jones for ODI's.
The only time Jones has looked like getting out is when he's tried to the force the pace, so from some of the bowling he has faced he looks as though he could be quite solid at test level, but when it comes to One-dayers he just doesn't have the ability to keep the score ticking over.
Im not sure an opening partnership of Richardson & Jones would be ideal, because both are rather pedestrian, but maybe if Fleming is out for the test series then Jones could bat at 3.
The only time Jones has looked like getting out is when he's tried to the force the pace, so from some of the bowling he has faced he looks as though he could be quite solid at test level, but when it comes to One-dayers he just doesn't have the ability to keep the score ticking over.
Im not sure an opening partnership of Richardson & Jones would be ideal, because both are rather pedestrian, but maybe if Fleming is out for the test series then Jones could bat at 3.
marc71178 said:
it can be done ....
I recall an ODI Tri-Series match in OZ in the mid-late '80s where Coney & Hadlee got NZ up to a then WR chase of about 297 to defeat England. From memory the pair got together inside the first 25 overs and the asking rate was somewhere around 7.6 for most of the remaining overs until they got inside the last 10. I know 1 of them got out but the other got NZ home.
:P
By the same token the odds of this side being able to do something similar are not even worth contemplating.......
not much to say about th 4th ODI - more of the same from both sides
interesting to read that Harris & Cairns put together a reasonable partnership playing sensible cricket - until Harris got a rush of blood. After than it was a case of too much left to do with too little time & too little batting to follow.
The Pakistani innings got off to another 100+ opening partership as the NZ bowlers lacked the firepower to create / extract any demons from the pitch / conditions as Pakistan cruised to victory without really getting out of 1st or 2nd gear.
interesting to read that Harris & Cairns put together a reasonable partnership playing sensible cricket - until Harris got a rush of blood. After than it was a case of too much left to do with too little time & too little batting to follow.
The Pakistani innings got off to another 100+ opening partership as the NZ bowlers lacked the firepower to create / extract any demons from the pitch / conditions as Pakistan cruised to victory without really getting out of 1st or 2nd gear.
interesting team selection - no Harris, Mason, Canning or Walmsley, Walker at 5 ahead of Carins, McCullum, Vettori, Hitchcock, Tuffey & Oram at 11!!!! Could be NZ's strongest lineup to date - although that isn't really saying anything so far as the bowling is concerned.
another mammoth opening partnership by Pakistan, although they must be slightly disappointed with a total of 'only' 277. Aparently the bowling of Cairns & Hitchcock made it easier for the batsmen re their inconsistant line & length in the middle overs. I have no idea what the bowling was like at the death or what the runs scored during this time was like......
an encouraging start to the NZ innings with Cumming & Jones putting on 48 when last viewed on the update & seeing off the opening attack - although the required rate is already up to 6.5. Hopefully the platform will have been laid for the middle & lower orders to do their thing - provided they get the chance b4 the required rate gets too far out of reach!
d'oh - of course Canning is in for Vettori which is why it is so interesting with no spinner
:duh:
Cumming out and the RRR up to just a touch below 7 coming up to 20 overs gone.......
another mammoth opening partnership by Pakistan, although they must be slightly disappointed with a total of 'only' 277. Aparently the bowling of Cairns & Hitchcock made it easier for the batsmen re their inconsistant line & length in the middle overs. I have no idea what the bowling was like at the death or what the runs scored during this time was like......
an encouraging start to the NZ innings with Cumming & Jones putting on 48 when last viewed on the update & seeing off the opening attack - although the required rate is already up to 6.5. Hopefully the platform will have been laid for the middle & lower orders to do their thing - provided they get the chance b4 the required rate gets too far out of reach!
d'oh - of course Canning is in for Vettori which is why it is so interesting with no spinner
:duh: Cumming out and the RRR up to just a touch below 7 coming up to 20 overs gone.......
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Magrat Garlick
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24.1 Abdul Razzaq to Jones, (noball) SIX, flicked over mid wicketanzac said:
yep, doing very poorly and ineffectively :P
anyway, NZ have a very tiny chance of winning this. Promote McCullum and hope for extras...so far 10 wides and no-balls from 161 balls - too much I think.
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Is the bowling really good or is New Zealand just intent on batting defensively? Surely someone would take the initiative and play some shots!
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Jones and Sinclair scored too slowly, Marshall is approaching another fifty at a run a ball, however the middle order self-destructed and it's all but 5-0.
Samuel_Vimes said:
yeah well he stuck around & scored 49 off 96 - maybe ok for Test cricket but not ODIs unless he bats thru the innings!!!!
with 25 overs left & 8 wickets in hand I should think it is a bit presumptuous to say the game is over (even tho' we know the outcome by now).
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AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!
NO NO NO NO NO !!!!!!!!!
WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING!!!!!!!
yet again (at the risk of repeating myself & further angering some Kiwi supporters), THE BRAINS TRUST GOT THE BATTING GAME PLAN WRONG!!!!!! 50 RUNS SHORT WITH 4 WICKETS IN HAND - WHAT KIND OF A RUN "CHASE" IS THAT!!!!!!!!
This is the 2nd time they have done this in this series and both times they stuck to the original batting lineup and ended up loosing with a whimper not a bang. Even the best hitters need a 'sighter' b4 they can launch an assault & expect it to be successful - the only exception is when they are in great touch to start with, and none of the Kiwi hitters have shown this in this series!
2 wickets down with about 20 overs to go & the RRR up over 7 & they stick to the original batting lineup!!!!!! If they were serious about the chase they should have introduced an impact player as early as 1st drop, and definately by the time the 2nd wicket went!!!
too many overs lost & rr getting too high for any of the subsequent batsmen to have a chance when they have to come in and score at that rate immediately!!! Can somebody please explain to me what is the point of having explosive batters & 'allrounders' in the team if you are not going to use them to have an impact on the game????????
Even tho' Marshall scored another 60+ n.o. at a strike rate of 90+, what was really needed was a hit & run cameo innings from one of the hitters to go over the fence & score a quick 30-40 odd from next to nothing - do a Lance Cairns at the MCG - longevity is not the key, an over to sight the pace of the pitch & then launch. Bring the RRR back sharply so that the incoming batsmen can have an over to get set b4 having to find the fence all the time!!!!
My picks would have been McCullum & Oram - one or the other if not both depending on how well it went & how long it lasted. Then you could have Marshall or Cairns depending on whose wicket fell - no point in having 2 big hitters at the crease otherwise you have nothing left in the tank for the end.
Hell I know I've been critical of the tactics for the top order re 'quick start runs', but this is taking it to the opposite extreme - talk about your sublime to the ridiculous!!!!
This wasn't a 'run chase' - more like a geriatric stumble!!!!!
There is no 'honour' to be had in these results - only shame at the lack of a tactical determination to put up a real fight!!!!
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NO NO NO NO NO !!!!!!!!!
WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING!!!!!!!
yet again (at the risk of repeating myself & further angering some Kiwi supporters), THE BRAINS TRUST GOT THE BATTING GAME PLAN WRONG!!!!!! 50 RUNS SHORT WITH 4 WICKETS IN HAND - WHAT KIND OF A RUN "CHASE" IS THAT!!!!!!!!
This is the 2nd time they have done this in this series and both times they stuck to the original batting lineup and ended up loosing with a whimper not a bang. Even the best hitters need a 'sighter' b4 they can launch an assault & expect it to be successful - the only exception is when they are in great touch to start with, and none of the Kiwi hitters have shown this in this series!
2 wickets down with about 20 overs to go & the RRR up over 7 & they stick to the original batting lineup!!!!!! If they were serious about the chase they should have introduced an impact player as early as 1st drop, and definately by the time the 2nd wicket went!!!
too many overs lost & rr getting too high for any of the subsequent batsmen to have a chance when they have to come in and score at that rate immediately!!! Can somebody please explain to me what is the point of having explosive batters & 'allrounders' in the team if you are not going to use them to have an impact on the game????????
Even tho' Marshall scored another 60+ n.o. at a strike rate of 90+, what was really needed was a hit & run cameo innings from one of the hitters to go over the fence & score a quick 30-40 odd from next to nothing - do a Lance Cairns at the MCG - longevity is not the key, an over to sight the pace of the pitch & then launch. Bring the RRR back sharply so that the incoming batsmen can have an over to get set b4 having to find the fence all the time!!!!
My picks would have been McCullum & Oram - one or the other if not both depending on how well it went & how long it lasted. Then you could have Marshall or Cairns depending on whose wicket fell - no point in having 2 big hitters at the crease otherwise you have nothing left in the tank for the end.
Hell I know I've been critical of the tactics for the top order re 'quick start runs', but this is taking it to the opposite extreme - talk about your sublime to the ridiculous!!!!
This wasn't a 'run chase' - more like a geriatric stumble!!!!!
There is no 'honour' to be had in these results - only shame at the lack of a tactical determination to put up a real fight!!!!
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ok - so what now for the selectors?
Have they resolved any of the major issues regarding the ODI squad - bowling attack (esp 'at the death'), opening batsman? Me thinks not!
Apart from Marshall none of the batsmen really gave the selectors something to think about. Unless they decide to open with Marshall or Astle, Cummings possibly showed enough to warrant his continued selection for the 1st ODI in the Home series, while Jones confirmed his style is better suited to the longer game.
As I said in an earlier post, Marshall's success has raised more questions for the selectors re both the ODI & Test teams than it has answered.
Cairns & Harris were both disappointing in a situation where they should have had the experience to shine. Questions should be raised regarding their continued contribution in either squad.
None of the other bowlers resolved any of the issues, nor did they do enough IMO to oust any of the current established squad members from their resumed selection. Questions will still remain regarding the make up of the seam attack should Bond remain unavailable - does Butler get a chance?, do they retain Cairns?, do they consider Mills or Mason, or will Adams start (if fit) in lieu of Cairns?
Potential ODI squad:
Cummings, Fleming, Astle, Marshall, Styris, McMillan, Oram, McCullum, Adams, Vettori, Tuffey, Butler, Bond, + 1 from Mills / Mason / Hitchcock / Walker?
Potential Test squad:
Richardson, Vincent, Fleming (if fit), Styris, Astle, McMillan, Marshall, Hart, Oram, Tuffey, Butler, Vettori, Bond (if fit), Jones / Adams?
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Have they resolved any of the major issues regarding the ODI squad - bowling attack (esp 'at the death'), opening batsman? Me thinks not!
Apart from Marshall none of the batsmen really gave the selectors something to think about. Unless they decide to open with Marshall or Astle, Cummings possibly showed enough to warrant his continued selection for the 1st ODI in the Home series, while Jones confirmed his style is better suited to the longer game.
As I said in an earlier post, Marshall's success has raised more questions for the selectors re both the ODI & Test teams than it has answered.
Cairns & Harris were both disappointing in a situation where they should have had the experience to shine. Questions should be raised regarding their continued contribution in either squad.
None of the other bowlers resolved any of the issues, nor did they do enough IMO to oust any of the current established squad members from their resumed selection. Questions will still remain regarding the make up of the seam attack should Bond remain unavailable - does Butler get a chance?, do they retain Cairns?, do they consider Mills or Mason, or will Adams start (if fit) in lieu of Cairns?
Potential ODI squad:
Cummings, Fleming, Astle, Marshall, Styris, McMillan, Oram, McCullum, Adams, Vettori, Tuffey, Butler, Bond, + 1 from Mills / Mason / Hitchcock / Walker?
Potential Test squad:
Richardson, Vincent, Fleming (if fit), Styris, Astle, McMillan, Marshall, Hart, Oram, Tuffey, Butler, Vettori, Bond (if fit), Jones / Adams?
8D