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***Official New Zealand in India Nov-Dec 2021 Thread***

Moss

International Captain
Just gonna say it, Taylor shouldn’t play the second test. Apart from an 80 scored on day 1 against a weak SL attack, he hasn’t made runs in Asia since 2014. Further, his weakness against left arm spin will always be pretty brutally exposed by Jadeja and Axar. Don’t expect a whole lot from Phillips in his place but I reckon he has a higher ceiling unless the mumbai surface is a road.
Phillips was pretty clueless against Ashwin and Axar in the T20s so not sure that would work. Best bet is for Taylor to forget about defence and take some calculated risks. During his Bangalore and Dubai centuries he was cutting the spinners from the line of the stumps, was quite insane to watch - don’t know if 37 year old Taylor can pull it off but one can hope.

Could also consider moving him to no.6 where his quick scoring could be very valuable if a platform is set, and his experience might help if it’s a crisis. Ravindra or Blundell could move up to 4 just for this test.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Phillips was pretty clueless against Ashwin and Axar in the T20s so not sure that would work. Best bet is for Taylor to forget about defence and take some calculated risks. During his Bangalore and Dubai centuries he was cutting the spinners from the line of the stumps, was quite insane to watch - don’t know if 37 year old Taylor can pull it off but one can hope.

Could also consider moving him to no.6 where his quick scoring could be very valuable if a platform is set, and his experience might help if it’s a crisis. Ravindra or Blundell could move up to 4 just for this test.
If Ross is playing, I would agree 6 is the place. Again, it's not going to happen - but a cameo down there, in Indian conditions, might be our best use of him.
 

Hurricane2

U19 Cricketer
I think bringing Kohli back as captain instead of Rahane will improve India by 10 percent
I think Shubman Gill will ton up and silence those who question his skill
I think it will be fine weather in Geelong when the toss is made
 

Hurricane2

U19 Cricketer
My Nz team for the next match

1)Tom and Jerry
2) William young
3) Kane
4) God
5) Nicholls
6) Rachin promoted to 6
7) blundell glove work was ok
8) Jamieson
9) Wagner
10) Southee
11) jazz

if we switch out the off spinner for Wagner then we improve our chances of taking 20 wickets substantively
 

Hurricane2

U19 Cricketer
If Ross is playing, I would agree 6 is the place. Again, it's not going to happen - but a cameo down there, in Indian conditions, might be our best use of him.
If you were selector in real life would you seriously have the kahunas and disregard for your future employment to either drop Ross or drop him to number 6?

After Hesson gate NZC probably got 1000 protest letters. I know some people who sent them. John Parker attempted a coup de tat along with other accomplices and Martin Crowe poured lighter fluid on his nzc blazer and set it alight.
In the backdrop of all of that palava and how close Ross is to retirement Ross could probably do a Jesse Ryder and get plastered the night before the test and not a word would be said to him.
My point is all you blokes casting shade on his batting spot would absolutely pick him yourself at number 4 for the next test if you were the selector and you valued your job.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
If you were selector in real life would you seriously have the kahunas and disregard for your future employment to either drop Ross or drop him to number 6?

After Hesson gate NZC probably got 1000 protest letters. I know some people who sent them. John Parker attempted a coup de tat along with other accomplices and Martin Crowe poured lighter fluid on his nzc blazer and set it alight.
In the backdrop of all of that palava and how close Ross is to retirement Ross could probably do a Jesse Ryder and get plastered the night before the test and not a word would be said to him.
My point is all you blokes casting shade on his batting spot would absolutely pick him yourself at number 4 for the next test if you were the selector and you valued your job.
Nah.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
If you were selector in real life would you seriously have the kahunas and disregard for your future employment to either drop Ross or drop him to number 6?

After Hesson gate NZC probably got 1000 protest letters. I know some people who sent them. John Parker attempted a coup de tat along with other accomplices and Martin Crowe poured lighter fluid on his nzc blazer and set it alight.
In the backdrop of all of that palava and how close Ross is to retirement Ross could probably do a Jesse Ryder and get plastered the night before the test and not a word would be said to him.
My point is all you blokes casting shade on his batting spot would absolutely pick him yourself at number 4 for the next test if you were the selector and you valued your job.
No, that's why I said it's not going to happen. I just think that'd be the best place for him to contribute, seeing he's not going to be dropped. Nor should he, because the back-up is Glenn Phillips and Ross is a better option than him.

Casting shade is an interesting term. There's just a lot of us who feel Ross' best is behind him, and with Conway coming back for the home summer and Young showing a lot in the first dig, potentially his Test spot is not taken for granted anymore. Even the truly greats are allowed to have their spot questioned.
 

Zinzan

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Unfortunately, the ability of the current batting lineup to actually pile on the pain on a flat deck is ehhhh. So i dunno. What Ims aying is NZ are winning this. As they should against India A, good on them.
I've been letting these constant references to India A & B slide the last few days, but aren't Bumrah and Rohit really the only 2 they're missing of the 5 who played the TC final at Lords?

I mean Kohli's averaged 26 in 12 tests in last 2 years & is seemingly a shadow of his former self, so Iyer felt like an upgrade to me & they'll do NZ a big favour if they drop him after that debut. Pant, Brisbane heroics aside seems a bit overrated & bit of a predetermined slogger & Shami & Umesh have both been used and both average 31.7 over the last two years. And finally Axar who didn't play at Lords is one of their top 3 spinners.

So even calling them India A & 1/2 would be a stretch, let alone India A or B, unless we can say they played a NZ A & 1/2 side since Conway was missing & Wagner stupidly omitted.
 

Flem274*

123/5
If you were selector in real life would you seriously have the kahunas and disregard for your future employment to either drop Ross or drop him to number 6?

After Hesson gate NZC probably got 1000 protest letters. I know some people who sent them. John Parker attempted a coup de tat along with other accomplices and Martin Crowe poured lighter fluid on his nzc blazer and set it alight.
In the backdrop of all of that palava and how close Ross is to retirement Ross could probably do a Jesse Ryder and get plastered the night before the test and not a word would be said to him.
My point is all you blokes casting shade on his batting spot would absolutely pick him yourself at number 4 for the next test if you were the selector and you valued your job.
Nah, I would understand if he got the shoulder tap and I was fuming during captaincygate because of how it was done. This is just something fair for the good of the team that can be handled in a tactful way. Captaincygate was anything but handled well.

"Hey man, we're stripping you of the captaincy after this game, good luck tomorrow!"
*game occurs, Taylor goes massive, NZ win etc*
"Hey so we're still taking it off you"
*media get wind of circumstances, ask if Hesson/White really were braindead enough to do it the night before a game*
"Nooooooo we didn't. Also we're giving the captaincy to a bloke who averages less than 30 opening"

It's kind of amazing we not only got away with this mess but everything went as well as it did. Contrary to the narrative from certain former players, the team was already rising in quality. Williamson, Taylor, Southee and Boult were on the board.

I think it speaks to the character of all the players involved that the side survived such a public drama.
 

Hurricane2

U19 Cricketer
No, that's why I said it's not going to happen. I just think that'd be the best place for him to contribute, seeing he's not going to be dropped. Nor should he, because the back-up is Glenn Phillips and Ross is a better option than him.

Casting shade is an interesting term. There's just a lot of us who feel Ross' best is behind him, and with Conway coming back for the home summer and Young showing a lot in the first dig, potentially his Test spot is not taken for granted anymore. Even the truly greats are allowed to have their spot questioned.
Half the greats hang on a game or two or even three two long. Ross is holding on too long here agreed. Yes he is cooked. Should have retired after the test championship.
Ponting was cooked for his last 18 to 24 months.
Thanks for your clarification reply :)
 

Moss

International Captain
Casting shade is an interesting term. There's just a lot of us who feel Ross' best is behind him, and with Conway coming back for the home summer and Young showing a lot in the first dig, potentially his Test spot is not taken for granted anymore. Even the truly greats are allowed to have their spot questioned.
Yes, this.

FTR I think he's still a good enough number 4 in home conditions, but given his well-documented issues in the subcontinent I'd hope to see him at least change his approach from Kanpur, if not his batting position.
 

Flem274*

123/5
I've been letting these constant references to India A & B slide the last few days, but aren't Bumrah and Rohit really the only 2 they're missing of the 5 who played the TC final at Lords?

I mean Kohli's averaged 26 in 12 tests in last 2 years & is seemingly a shadow of his former self, so Iyer felt like an upgrade to me & they'll do NZ a big favour if they drop him after that debut. Pant, Brisbane heroics aside seems a bit overrated & bit of a predetermined slogger & Shami & Umesh have both been used and both average 31.7 over the last two years. And finally Axar who didn't play at Lords is one of their top 3 spinners.

So even calling them India A & 1/2 would be a stretch, let alone India A or B, unless we can say they played a NZ A & 1/2 side since Conway was missing & Wagner stupidly omitted.
I agree with the soul of this post. Both sides benefitted hugely from blokes who 100% would not have played had Kohli and Conway, two of the best batsmen in the world (eat **** haters), been available.

If Iyer and Young don't play, this game looks completely different. They scored like 200-250 runs between them in a game where the top team total was 345.

edit - it's also only HB (and probably Big3info) arguing this seriously, and he's not worth reading. OS is memeing.
 

Zinzan

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This is an oversimplification. In England/NZ he still has to work out his game, but he's a beast in India and is the main reason India have been able to play 5 bowlers.
Look maybe Pant to a lesser extent, but I better than Saha overall and clearly a better attacking player, but Saha is
My Nz team for the next match

1)Tom and Jerry
2) William young
3) Kane
4) God
5) Nicholls
6) Rachin promoted to 6
7) blundell glove work was ok
8) Jamieson
9) Wagner
10) Southee
11) jazz

if we switch out the off spinner for Wagner then we improve our chances of taking 20 wickets substantively
Latham
Young
KW
Taylor
Rachin
Phillips
Blundell
Jamieson
Wagner
Patel
Southee

Phillips for out of sorts Nicholls, and Phillips and Rachin sharing Somervile's spin overs.

And please, Patel bats ahead of Southee, unless we need 6 off the last ball.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Ajaz is not that good at batting guys. Good technique yes, but no talent and no runs. In the first innings you definitely want Southee coming in ahead of him. In the second innings...probably send in the madman first again tbh.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Ajaz is not that good at batting guys. Good technique yes, but no talent and no runs. In the first innings you definitely want Southee coming in ahead of him. In the second innings...probably send in the madman first again tbh.
Haha yeah bring out pace and Ajaz won't look quite as ***y
 

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