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***Official New Zealand in India Nov-Dec 2021 Thread***
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Flem274*
123/5
His behaviour is more obnoxious because he can't back it up outside India (or Aus I guess, those total goons). If this series is in NZ he averages 80 with the ball again, if he even plays.
It would be a bit like us fielding will williams, matt mcewan and ross ter braak at home and them carrying on like dickheads haha. You know theyre toast outside nz.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
Selections, Wagner, Kane's tactics apart this is quite good by the team. Lots of positives so far. We've had India on the back foot many times in this test match despite losing the toss. If one said to me we'll still stand a chance on the 5th day I wouldn't have believed after the toss. This is a massive improvement from last time around we toured. We were very unsure then, our batters just went around premeditated sweeps, slogs, using the feet without playing merit of the ball. Yes we lost wickets frequently after the first wicket stand but unlike the last time around guys did hang around for a long time which is why we still stand some slim chance to draw the game. I definitely see good improvement from our previous tour.
We thrash our spinners but we want to keep producing green tops for the entire summer and our spin bowlers (other than Ajaz) don't come into play at all. I've seen Sommerville come to Wellington or go to CHC and barely bowl an over. Ravindra possibly has bowled more overs in one test match than entire summer playing in Wellington. Ajaz hasn't had any match practice due to covid. These are not excuses but facts. If we are serious about developing someone like Ravindra then he has to play for CD or ND. No point having him in Wellington, opening batting and bowling token couple of overs once in a blue moon. Unless he gets a county gig which I'm pretty sure he will the coming season now that he qualifies. Sure both Sommerville and Ravindra haven't taken wickets but they have shown they can bowl with control.
I'm glad someone like Rippon is bowling lots of overs for Otago, he's one for the future and hope he keeps bowling lots for Otago. I think this will likely be the last time we'll see Sommerville in action. Hope the lovely man has a good day. His story of never giving up is super inspiring.
We thrash our spinners but we want to keep producing green tops for the entire summer and our spin bowlers (other than Ajaz) don't come into play at all. I've seen Sommerville come to Wellington or go to CHC and barely bowl an over. Ravindra possibly has bowled more overs in one test match than entire summer playing in Wellington. Ajaz hasn't had any match practice due to covid. These are not excuses but facts. If we are serious about developing someone like Ravindra then he has to play for CD or ND. No point having him in Wellington, opening batting and bowling token couple of overs once in a blue moon. Unless he gets a county gig which I'm pretty sure he will the coming season now that he qualifies. Sure both Sommerville and Ravindra haven't taken wickets but they have shown they can bowl with control.
I'm glad someone like Rippon is bowling lots of overs for Otago, he's one for the future and hope he keeps bowling lots for Otago. I think this will likely be the last time we'll see Sommerville in action. Hope the lovely man has a good day. His story of never giving up is super inspiring.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
All international cricketers need to learn how ****ing cool Southee’s nonchalant, no ****s given ‘celebrations’ are.
“I’m too good for you and we all know it.”
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
I mean i was kinda expecting India posting 500 and winning by an innings but I dared to dream
Southee has been phenomenal and Young stepped up superbly well to stand in for Conway - genuinely didn't expect him to play the way he did in the first dig. Shame about the second.
Flem274*
123/5
I prefer Wagners but I like obnoxious cricketers if theyre real bowlers. Hasan Ali is great.
nzfan
International Vice-Captain
However, Ronchi said they would look to bat positively, mainly because the pitch had not broken up as much as expected. "All three results are possible," Ronchi said. "If we bat with some good intent and make most of the opportunities to score, we certainly believe we can chase it down. But, from the Indian point of view, they will be going in full of confidence they can stop us from doing that.
"There's not a whole lot of turn in the surface. I don't think many people expected the surface to hold up as it has. There is a little bit of variable bounce, but that is going to be the main thing."
I hope they do bat positively. It's not like India has 400 runs to play with. 4 fielders around the bat means more gaps in the field. If there is no considerable turn they will spread the field eventually. I'm just hoping not everyone goes into the shell. Hopefully Kane and Ross play their game. We stand a better chance to draw the game if we play the ball and not the bowlers.
"There's not a whole lot of turn in the surface. I don't think many people expected the surface to hold up as it has. There is a little bit of variable bounce, but that is going to be the main thing."
I hope they do bat positively. It's not like India has 400 runs to play with. 4 fielders around the bat means more gaps in the field. If there is no considerable turn they will spread the field eventually. I'm just hoping not everyone goes into the shell. Hopefully Kane and Ross play their game. We stand a better chance to draw the game if we play the ball and not the bowlers.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
One attacking, game changing innings is we all we need, while latham/kane steers at the other end. I feel this wiill basically fall to Taylor. Nicholls currently averages 11 against India.
That said it's not like Kane can't play a dashing innings.
That said it's not like Kane can't play a dashing innings.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Although when the old gypsy woman said a Somerville century will lead us to glory I thought maybe she had been eating eye of newt soup that had gone off
Yeah, it absolutely is. Again, I don't want to be critical of something that happens in the heat of the moment. But with 3 unsuccessful in an innings, you've got to take those when you get a borderline lbw. The odds of getting to 3 gone, especially with umpire's call meaning you keep it, is just really high.
I was never a fan of Somerville playing. The guy hadn't played any cricket that I'm aware of since April. In a two-Test series where he needs to get up to speed pretty quick, and with India having predominantly RHers, just wasn't a fan. They can't play in him in the 2nd Test, either40 overs by Will Somerville is the most by a visting spinner in India without taking a wicket since Shane Warne's 42 wicketless overs in Kolkata in 1997/98.
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Immenso
International Vice-Captain
For sure.
It's just an experience thing I would say. Only the 4th time Young would have played with DRS. That will go in the memory bank and he will be better at judging misses and umpires calls going forward. Also will be more confident to use a revue as he gets more experienced.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Actually they'd probably carve up in England with the Dukes.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I think it was just borne of the desire to have a spinner turning it off to leg. If Rachin bowled with his right arm I suspect Wagner would've played. I was half expecting Phillips to get the nod ahead of Rachin due to this.
India having so many right handers makes it kind of silly though.
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Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Just seen the lbw for the first time, oof it's an ugly one - spinning from outside off to hit in front of middle and leg with Young getting a good stride in. I know Latham's not perfectly in line but he really needed to let Young know that I review was worth the risk there.
Oh yeah, I completely get the idea. But Somerville is a very one-dimensional off-spinner. Couple that with the fact NZ went in without any left arm seamers to create rough, and India don't have any either, and it was obvious a lot wasn't aligning in favour of Somerville playing.
Then you add in the fact that Wagner has made a career out of taking wickets in tough conditions, and just that he sits so well in this side in terms of his competitiveness and willingness to keep going. I'm not for one second suggesting that's the difference between victory and defeat, but I don't think we made the right call there.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I probably would have gone the Phillips and Wagner route.
But sometimes these pitches are just total bunsens where Joe Root would be more effective than Wagner, and I'm not sure SENA teams have really figured out how to tell them apart at the toss yet, so I find it hard to criticise going with the extra spinner too much. In hindsight it was absolutely the wrong call on this surface.
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hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
It's only cricket
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
If BCs bat really well, India will slow down the over rate and bowl only around 80 overs today just like BCs bowled 76 overs yesterday.
So 280 runs in 80 overs would look difficult.
(There won’t be any over rate penalty for bowling just 80 odd overs in 6 hours because we are not getting the extra 30 mins of overtime due to bad light. So if you are doing 80 in 6 hours, you can potentially do 87 overs in 6.5 hours and you won’t get penalised for 87 overs in a day, I don’t think.)