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***Official*** New Zealand in India 2016

Zinzan

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Anyways, I've been harsh on the Kiwaahs but I really think NZ lucked out with a few things this series. It probably wouldn't have made a difference to the series result but they can definitely feel a bit hard done by the tosses, marginal umpiring calls, ball changes that then started to reverse, Kane being out during the match where they actually stood a chance, the two Ashwin run outs, selectors being dumb dumbs and dropping WAGner, roughing up of the pitch etc.
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Nah, we tend to remember the bad calls more that went against NZ, because we struggled so much to get wickets... India were actually on the receiving end of quite a few howlers themselves, but they just didn't cost as much because their bowlers were good enough to create other chances soon after. Weaker sides often seem more unlucky in that respect.
 

Daemon

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Yeah fair enough, we did have our first choice quick, 3 openers and another quick who took a 5-fer injured after all
 

straw man

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Nah, we tend to remember the bad calls more that went against NZ, because we struggled so much to get wickets... India were actually on the receiving end of quite a few howlers themselves, but they just didn't cost as much because their bowlers were good enough to create other chances soon after. Weaker sides often seem more unlucky in that respect.
I mostly agree, though I think most of the favourable NZ calls came later in matches that were already all-but lost - especially the latter part of test two. Bad umpiring calls typically have more of an impact earlier in a match. And yeah, the weaker team just can't afford things like the Ronchi lbw in the first test.

Most genuine waah of the series is losing the toss in the first test imo. The series was new, NZ were fresh and not beaten down, and that pitch was definitely best to bat first on. India made a hash of their first innings (should have score 450 imo), so if NZ had scored 350+ there they would have been in with a solid chance.

Aside from that, India very formidable at home. I kept thinking India should have picked a third spinner to ease the load on Ashwin and Jadeja, but they didn't all series and it worked. Also some of the best Indian fast bowling I've seen - I expected them to be anonymous and completely dependent on spin, but that wasn't the case.
 

Zinzan

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There's no doubt NZ needed things to go their way to even be competitive, but in all honesty after watching that series, the toss wouldn't have made any differences at all to the 3-0 scoreline, and I'm finding it hard to even think the margins would have been much different. India were never far away from a wicket, whereas NZ wickets often looked a long way away.

I'll be really surprised if we get 3 tests next time we tour India. By far our worse ever tour there. India has traditionally been a place that NZ batsmen actually do pretty well in and generally score runs, even if they end up losing.
 

Zinzan

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Incidentally, I'm glad we got to see Patel after he's done so well in County cricket. In the end his 6 wickets in the 2 tests @ 48 wasn't much better than his Test average had been, but he does seem to get a little more dip than he used to.

Having seen him bowl many of those 80 overs, it does surprise me that he's been the most successful spinner in the county scene. Is there something about his county home ground that seems to suit him so much anyone? Or a case of his being good against below Test standard batsmen?

Not sure about anyone else, but apart from the dip, he didn't seem very different to me than 4-5 years ago.
 

Contra

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India's bench strength has really been highlighted on this tour, Ishant was missing, Vijay literally had a different opening partner in each match, and even Bhuvi got injured after the second test. India really have just about every base covered, being able to swap in and out players without losing out on too much quality. I still feel a 5 man bowling attack will be more profitable especially against England. Even though Rohit (finally) performed in this series.
 

Zinzan

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India's bench strength has really been highlighted on this tour, Ishant was missing, Vijay literally had a different opening partner in each match, and even Bhuvi got injured after the second test. India really have just about every base covered, being able to swap in and out players without losing out on too much quality. I still feel a 5 man bowling attack will be more profitable especially against England. Even though Rohit (finally) performed in this series.
Is Ishant really better than Shami, Bhuvi and Yadav though? I rate all 3 of them above him.
 

Contra

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Is Ishant really better than Shami, Bhuvi and Yadav though? I rate all 3 of them above him.
Overseas I would still take Ishant, at home the seamers don't factor as much so it's not that big a deal. Shammi only recently made a comeback and he seems a lot fitter than before, previously he would tire out far too easily and give away freebies which was incredibly annoying.
 

morgieb

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Is Ishant really better than Shami, Bhuvi and Yadav though? I rate all 3 of them above him.
He's definitely ahead of Yadav AFAIC. Yadav has more X-factor but Ishant is a lot more consistent, has better control.
 

Gnske

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Yeah he's gone from really bad to just plain bad.

Could maybe break into a WBBL team now.
 

vcs

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Yadav is largely crap. I'm generally anti-Ishant but I'd take his control and ability to bowl long spells over scattergun Yadav.

Shami is weird.. he goes from being a big threat in one match to another one where he is extremely inaccurate and underwhelming.. but on his day he can be a genuine old-ball threat due to his reverse swing and that is a priceless quality to have on Indian pitches. He definitely needs to be part of the side.
 

Burgey

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Won't hear about word about Nostrils Yadav. Big heart, runs in hard, bowls all day. His nose is the Indian version of Siddle's aorta.
 

Daemon

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Bhuvi > Ishant > Shami > Yadav

Bhuvi is our best quick in all conditions, followed by Ishant. Shami's very good if reverse is a factor and Yadav as well to a slightly lesser extent. Nostrils better with the new ball and more likely to pick up a stack but I think Shami's control gives him an edge.

It's only logical therefore that we should drop all of them and think about what Arjun would do in this situation - insist that we need more pace bowling ARs like Binny, Pandya and Dhawan, bring up the unfair treatment of Pankaj Singh, or take 3 paragraphs to say how much we need Aaron's pace.
 

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