**Official** New Zealand in England

[Smudge]

Chemical castration FTW...

 

[Jono]

Not when they play for Aust. I think they have been brainwashed in OS comps

But then again Viduka is a Collingwood supporter!

True.

Anyone that supports a team made up of Travis Cloke, Alan Didak and Paul Medhurst must have something wrong with them.


(Yes, even you Matt79 )

 

[duffer]

• Denzel

 

[archie mac]

I want all professional sports people to do whatever it takes to win, within the rules. And if they bend it a little bit, to win, I'm OK with that too.

It would be interesting to see if more Americans thought like you? I am just glad most cricket fans do not

 

[social]

An accurate re-enactment of the "penalty"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrxrPEXvI9c&feature=related

The whole point is that cynicism and unsportsmanlike conduct is so ingrained in football, that it will take generations to change even if it were possible

 

[duffer]

Neill mistimed the tackle, but wasn't due to make significant contact to warrant a penalty. Grosso took stock of the situation and stepped into him then went to ground. It was a dive. Not every poor tackle warrants a penalty.

But it was a poor piece of defending. You don't go diving early into tackles in your own box especially when the opponent has such a poor angle to get a shot on goal and when Craig Moore was positioned well enough to deal with any cutback.

Yes Grosso simulated the contact but it was ridiculously sloppy defending on Neill's art which gave him an opportunity to do so. At that level you'll get punished by cynical enough opposition.

 

[Jono]

That's not really the point though. The penalty wasn't there, and the fact that things like that can get taken advantage of is the actual point social is trying to make with soccer.

 

[duffer]

I was more trying to back up TT Boy's point that bad defending also contributed to it. Everyone knows it was as cynical an exploitation of the rules as you could get.

 

[Jono]

Yeah that's fair enough.

I guess though that since simulation/diving IS actually outlawed, its similar to what SilentStriker wants. Yet it still happens, which is more to the point we are trying to make. Even if you make laws/rules regarding everything, if they're possible to be manipulated in otehr sports they will be. And we don't want that to occur with cricket.

 

[duffer]

Yup, wouldn't like to see cricket descend into that territory at all. One of the things I like about our game tbh.

 

[thierry henry]

Was a bit more than five minutes, he and McCullum put on a 50-run partnership in no time. Also against West Indies in the NatWest series final and India in a crucial T20 International match off the top of my head.

Just wondering why his batting has come into this though?

That was the other example I was forgetting- 2nd CH match in 2005/06... NZ have a world record run chase well in hand in the final over, before Vettori calls McCullum through for a suicide single and he gets run out....then Vettori panics horribly when Kyle Mills hits the ball straight back to the bowler, sets off blindly for an even more suicidal run, and NZ lose their last wicket with balls to spare.

Come the 3rd ODI, a DEAD RUBBER, and Vettori plays a composed hand in NZ's win.

Dead rubbers, easy wins, and huge losses- this is when Vettori performs. But put him in an actual closely fought, competitive game and his famed composure goes completely out the window.

 

[Flem274*]

STFU about Vettori FFS. The damn thing was done to death last night. We get it, you hate him and we have about as much chance of changing that view as we do of getting SP to praise an NZ player. Time to move on.

The penalty on Collingwood was very harsh. Not having a good couple of days is he?

 

[_Ed_]

The penalty on Collingwood was very harsh.

Sure was. Not happy about it tbh.

 

[Son Of Coco]

That's not really the point though. The penalty wasn't there, and the fact that things like that can get taken advantage of is the actual point social is trying to make with soccer.

I'm amazed at what apparently goes unnoticed in soccer. Surely it's as obvious to most refs and linesman as it is t me that if you're brought down by actual contact then you usually don't jump with your ankles pinned to your butt, kick your legs out, or roll 15 times after the contact has occured. Unless the contact is hard and comes from below then the chances of you getting airborne at all must be fairly slim. Yet, the tiniest amount of contact sends these athletes flying into the air with their hands outstretched and their legs tucked up to maximise our impression of the supposed 'impact'. The simple fact that you didn't think of milking a penalty when it would look least suspicious (i.e...mid-tackle) only makes it look worse when you've cleared the tackle and then decided to take your own legs out from underneath you in a extravagant routine. The fact the ref falls for it is mystifying. It seems to be either that, or hit the deck everytime another player so much as looks at you.

It's easy to see why the Australian team was criticised for playing tough in '06...we generally stay upright in routine tackles.

 

[social]

I'm amazed at what apparently goes unnoticed in soccer. Surely it's as obvious to most refs and linesman as it is t me that if you're brought down by actual contact then you usually don't jump with your ankles pinned to your butt, kick your legs out, or roll 15 times after the contact has occured. Unless the contact is hard and comes from below then the chances of you getting airborne at all must be fairly slim. Yet, the tiniest amount of contact sends these athletes flying into the air with their hands outstretched and their legs tucked up to maximise our impression of the supposed 'impact'. The simple fact that you didn't think of milking a penalty when it would look least suspicious (i.e...mid-tackle) only makes it look worse when you've cleared the tackle and then decided to take your own legs out from underneath you in a extravagant routine. The fact the ref falls for it is mystifying. It seems to be either that, or hit the deck everytime another player so much as looks at you.

It's easy to see why the Australian team was criticised for playing tough in '06...we generally stay upright in routine tackles.

The one that really grates on me is when they take it a step further and get carried off on a stretcher only to make a miraculous recovery when the game restarts

Unfortunately, the majority of home fans and officials buy into this bs and so they keep doing it

 

[knuckleball]

My best current NZ eleven

Hi everyone, I thought I'd put down what I think NZ's best 11 would be (injury free)

Ryder
How
Fulton
Taylor
Styris
Maccullum
Oram
Elliot
Mills
Vettori
Southee


*Very long batting line up

*8 bowling options

*Good mix of solidity and flair


No Flynn, J.Marshall or Gillespie.


Fulton brings solidity to the top order, I can't believe a dip in form has resulted in his dropping.

What does Flynn have to do to get dropped.


For my two cents, that is a Very competitive looking side.


Just my thoughts anyhoo

 

[duffer]

I'm amazed at what apparently goes unnoticed in soccer. Surely it's as obvious to most refs and linesman as it is t me that if you're brought down by actual contact then you usually don't jump with your ankles pinned to your butt, kick your legs out, or roll 15 times after the contact has occured. Unless the contact is hard and comes from below then the chances of you getting airborne at all must be fairly slim. Yet, the tiniest amount of contact sends these athletes flying into the air with their hands outstretched and their legs tucked up to maximise our impression of the supposed 'impact'. The simple fact that you didn't think of milking a penalty when it would look least suspicious (i.e...mid-tackle) only makes it look worse when you've cleared the tackle and then decided to take your own legs out from underneath you in a extravagant routine. The fact the ref falls for it is mystifying. It seems to be either that, or hit the deck everytime another player so much as looks at you.

It's easy to see why the Australian team was criticised for playing tough in '06...we generally stay upright in routine tackles.

The thing when making these decisions is the positioning of the officials when the tackle is made. A lot of times a tackle looks fine from a lot of angles but not so from one of the other cameras around the ground. The speed of the game now means that more often than not a ref or lino won't be in a good position to see a possibly critical dive.

And as far as exaggeration goes, most good divers can do it in a way where it looks 100% convincing so you can't give it on a perception of whether he made a meal of it or not. Then again you'll get the odd dive like:

 

[_Ed_]

 

[Flem274*]

BTW, don't you work at BSport? Do you know if they're available in Taranaki? Cheers.

 

[Flem274*]

Hi everyone, I thought I'd put down what I think NZ's best 11 would be (injury free)

Ryder
How
Fulton
Taylor
Styris
Maccullum
Oram
Elliot
Mills
Vettori
Southee


*Very long batting line up

*8 bowling options

*Good mix of solidity and flair


No Flynn, J.Marshall or Gillespie.


Fulton brings solidity to the top order, I can't believe a dip in form has resulted in his dropping.

What does Flynn have to do to get dropped.


For my two cents, that is a Very competitive looking side.


Just my thoughts anyhoo

Good side.