*Official* New Zealand in Bangladesh Thread

[Tim]

Fairly decent warm-up so far i'd say...a few batsmen getting runs & then the bowlers coming up against spirited resistence.

Not that I don't think Marshall deserves a chance..but I would be really disappointed to see Astle make way for him.

 

[shaka]

good to see the two NZ spinners get among the wickets. I hope it a return to form for both of them.

 

[Smudge]

yeah i suppose but what are oram and tuffey then - 125km bowlers who spearhead our attack, mark gillespie would of been a good pick though because he is also a good lower order batsman and as said in earlier posts i don't know how accurate cricinfo's RF,RM, etc etc, but it has gillespie down as a RFM but i'm not too sure, does anyone know how quick he bowls?

Bradley Scott would probably be even slower - around 120km/h max, I would imagine. Has a tendency to go for a few at times too.

 

[Kent]

Not that I don't think Marshall deserves a chance..but I would be really disappointed to see Astle make way for him.

Opting for batting practice, Astle was lifted to #3 this afternoon and was 41*.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3067339a1823,00.html

I'm starting to wonder if a tug-of-war has developed behind the scenes - Fleming on Astle's side and Bracewell on Marshall's. There are definitely some mixed messages about what their plans are.

 

[Tim]

By the sound of it, both Sinclair & Astle were pretty much taking the BCB XI to the cleaners.

I just don't get what the hurry is to bring Marshall into the side when Astle is still clearly capable of scoring plenty of runs in both tests & ODIs.
Bracewell seems to be picking a couple of pet-favourites..namely Mills & Marshall.

 

[bryce]

i reckon to even give astle a crack opening the innings, anyone remember him tried there in the longer form ?

 

[Tim]

If im correct, I believe all of Astle's best Test innings have been at #5...e.g. 1996 test v England where he batted all day with Morrison, 2001 v England 222, 2001 v Australia 150 etc.

I think he has been tried as an opener with limited success.

 

[bryce]

bracewells had worse ideas

 

[Mingster]

yeah i suppose but what are oram and tuffey then - 125km bowlers who spearhead our attack, mark gillespie would of been a good pick though because he is also a good lower order batsman and as said in earlier posts i don't know how accurate cricinfo's RF,RM, etc etc, but it has gillespie down as a RFM but i'm not too sure, does anyone know how quick he bowls?

Oram is not a 125km/h bowler, he showed durring the ICC Champions Trophy, that he can bowl 135km/h with the new ball. Tuffey has been lacking abit of pace lately, and that is partly due to his injury.

Who cares if Mark Gillespie is a good lower order batsman? We need bowlers, and players in the Test arena should not be bits and pieces players. Gillespie is not what you call a genuine quick.

CricInfo's RFM is pretty wrong, they say Tama Canning bowls at that pace.

 

[Mingster]

bracewells had worse ideas

Like what?

Promoting McCullum up the order in Tests, which has been success?

 

[The Baconator]

good to see the two NZ spinners get among the wickets. I hope it a return to form for both of them.

yes
it would be good to see vettori live up to the promise he showed at the start of his career

 

[bryce]

Like what?

a few involving kyle mills and craig cumming come to mind, i didn't say all his ideas were bad which sounded like what you thought i meant.

 

[The Baconator]

i reckon to even give astle a crack opening the innings, anyone remember him tried there in the longer form ?

I think he has been tried as an opener with limited success.

astle has opened once and he made 40

 

[Mingster]

a few involving kyle mills and craig cumming come to mind, i didn't say all his ideas were bad which sounded like what you thought i meant.

Kyle Mills had a great ODI record before the pasting he suffered at the death against South Africa and Pakistan.

Bracewell had to try "someone" during last year's Pakistan tour, and he chose Cumming, who was one of the better batsman on the first-class scene.

 

[bryce]

Kyle Mills had a great ODI record before the pasting he suffered at the death against South Africa and Pakistan.

Bracewell had to try "someone" during last year's Pakistan tour, and he chose Cumming, who was one of the better batsman on the first-class scene.

regarding kyle mills i think he is one of the better new zealand one day bowlers, but the bad idea was persisting with him as a death bowler, and the bad idea involving cumming was keeping him for the home ODI series vs pakistan - sure he got 45* and 31 in the last 2 matches but in the first 3 he went early for single digit scores when new zealand needed a good start, when in pakistan richard jones proved he could survive the new ball in the one day game and it was truly baffling why cumming was selected ahead of him for the home series, however i think choosing cumming as a test opener wouldn't be the worst choice but obviously bracewell has chucked that idea out the window because he wasn't even in the 'A' team setup which makes you wonder why he was kept in the team.

 

[Mingster]

In one of Cumming's first three matches, he got run out by Fleming. Even he admitted it. Jones did come out of the Pakistan Tour with a good average, but not a very good strike rate at all. Bracewell took a punt - and it paid off in the last two matches, but sadly not in the earlier two.

 

[Kent]

Is this thread getting stuck to the top of the page shortly, or is that for only really important cricket like the Paktel Cup?

I think Bracewell chose Cumming because he wanted an older player who could do a short-term job for him, rather than risk giving someone a rough debut against Shoaib and co. Cumming's fielding was also quite good in that series from memory.

With Fleming in great touch and Astle and Papps in his longer-term plans, I think Bracewell was picking a player who knew his place. He wanted someone who would try hard without trying to steal the show.

 

[Mingster]

Yeah, Cumming's fielding was very good along with Marshall.

When will the Test XI will confirmed?

I'm very pleased with the times of the Test Match being screened in NZ, 4pm-12am, can it get better? Leaves me with time to spare for revision in the morning. Great.

 

[bryce]

In one of Cumming's first three matches, he got run out by Fleming. Even he admitted it. Jones did come out of the Pakistan Tour with a good average, but not a very good strike rate at all. Bracewell took a punt - and it paid off in the last two matches, but sadly not in the earlier two.

i said say overall it did not pay off with him averaging an even 20 for that series and interesting you make the point about the strike rate because cumming came out of that pakistan series with an average of 8 and a strikerate of 50 and jones came out with an average of 33 and a strikerate of 51, but i take kents point about his fielding which was very good.

also very interesting nathan astle hitting 113 retired, just what me and i think a few other people wanted to see to keep him in that test side.

 

[Kent]

The actual XI might not be confirmed until Tuesday afternoon, but I'd expect a 12 to out by tomorrow.

I wouldn't worry about revision, Mingster - I see you're already a dab hand at making gifs of poor little nutters burning themselves!