***Official*** New Zealand in Bangladesh & Sri Lanka 2013

[vandem]

... and Taylor and McCullum continue to lurk lower down the order seemingly afraid to take responsibility for making the majority of the runs in the absence of Guptill, Williamson and Ryder.

This.

BMac ODI record since moving to #5 / #6: 13 innings, 3 successes vs Eng, 1 "didn't matter" (40* off 19 balls but coming in at 3-241 in 42nd over when the game was already won), 9 scores < 20. Last 7 innings, 91 runs avge 15.16. Time to end the experiment soon?

 

[Mike5181]

McCullum's reluctance to take an openers spot from one of Rutherford/Devcich is annoying for now, but Guptill and Ryder will be the openers by the time we play the West Indies at home anyway. They're legitimately better openers than he is. Watling probably is too, but I'd prefer him in at number five. If we consider the Sri Lankan series a write-off with so many of our batsmen likely to be missing, I'd be looking at this team for the WI series:

Guptill
Ryder
Williamson
Taylor
Watling
McCullum
Anderson
Vettori if he's fit, NMac if not
Southee
Two of Milne/Mills/Mitch

Really harsh on Jimmy, but I don't think we can leave out two of Milne/Mills/Mitch, and he hasn't offered a huge amount with the bat.

 

[Bahnz]

At the very least McCullum should be batting above Anderson. His batting at 6 made sense when we had Franklin and Ellis in the middle order. Now that we have guys like Anderson and Neesham, the need to have a power hitter specialist batsman down the order is no longer so urgent. I agree that once Guptill, Ryder and KW are back that 5 or 6 is a good place for him to bat.

 

[Flem274*]

McCullum's reluctance to take an openers spot from one of Rutherford/Devcich is annoying for now, but Guptill and Ryder will be the openers by the time we play the West Indies at home anyway. They're legitimately better openers than he is. Watling probably is too, but I'd prefer him in at number five. If we consider the Sri Lankan series a write-off with so many of our batsmen likely to be missing, I'd be looking at this team for the WI series:

Guptill
Ryder
Williamson
Taylor
Watling
McCullum
Anderson
Vettori if he's fit, NMac if not
Southee
Two of Milne/Mills/Mitch

Really harsh on Jimmy, but I don't think we can leave out two of Milne/Mills/Mitch, and he hasn't offered a huge amount with the bat.

Yeah I agree with this side, though I'm not against giving Neesh more responsibility with the ball in place of a bowler as part of our rotation policy we have going.

 

[Mike5181]

Yeah I agree with this side, though I'm not against giving Neesh more responsibility with the ball in place of a bowler as part of our rotation policy we have going.

Yeah, it's a hard one. I really really want to see what Milne has to offer, but I've also been impressed with him and Anderson's bowling in this series. Both promising players.

 

[Flem274*]

In the short term at least you could just bump McCullum to five or even opener since KW is absent and they hate Watling, then play both allrounders at six and seven. I'm also keen to see Tom Latham given a crack at number three but they seem pretty sold on him as an opener.

The best team I think we can play in the short term is..

McCullum
Kitchen
Latham
Taylor
Watling
Anderson
Neesham
The Bowlers

I don't think Kitchen is our man yet because I've got reservations over his play on the short stuff, but he's more deserving than Rutherford or Devcich and he's a better batsman full stop than the latter.

 

[Hurricane]

In the short term at least you could just bump McCullum to five or even opener since KW is absent and they hate Watling, then play both allrounders at six and seven. I'm also keen to see Tom Latham given a crack at number three but they seem pretty sold on him as an opener.

The best team I think we can play in the short term is..

McCullum
Kitchen
Latham
Taylor
Watling
Anderson
Neesham
The Bowlers

I don't think Kitchen is our man yet because I've got reservations over his play on the short stuff, but he's more deserving than Rutherford or Devcich and he's a better batsman full stop than the latter.

Yeah I don't see Devcich being dropped any time soon word on the street is that Hesson is a supporter of him.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Graet win for Bangladesh and without Shakib too.. Although I would have preferred a stronger batting performance in this one..they still to have those momentary lapses where the ending of a partnership quickly triggers a mini collapse. Tamim and Mominul were going strong at one point and threw it away.
It didn't matter in the end because NZ are playing some of their worst cricket but if Bangladesh want to regularly challenge the top sides and beat them in ODIs, they will need to work on these weaknesses because a slightly stronger side won't allow them to get away with it.

I feel for the NZ fans though....this performance was just terrible.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

At what point does McCullum become culpable for these abject results? How much rope does he have? As much as Taylor had?

At what point does McCullum become droppable for repeated failure to deliver anything worthwhile?

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

I suppose that's what you get with horrible selections and no team balance.

I hadn't realised Rutherford was back in the ODI squad, I thought McHesson finally looked up his List A stats on cricinfo. Pair him up with Devcich and do you have the worst opening pair ever?

 

[Kippax]

Cricket | Kyle Mills Mills looks to the bigger picture... | Stuff.co.nz

Kyle Mills will captain the New Zealand limited overs cricket team in Sri Lanka this month after the tour-ending injury to Kane Williamson.

Canterbury pair Rob Nicol and Andrew Ellis have also been summoned for the three ODIs and two T20 internationals later this month, replacing Williamson and Ian Butler who was forced out with a back injury.

 

[Prince EWS]

Batsmen apparently ahead of Watling in the ODI pecking order:

Taylor
McCullum
Williamson
Guptill
Anderson
Elliott
Rutherford
Devcich
Latham
Neesham
Ronchi
and we can assume Ryder

And apparently Rob Nicol!

This is just taking the piss now.

 

[Prince EWS]

I missed Munro off that list too.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Pair him up with Devcich and do you have the worst opening pair ever?

You could pair up Devcich with Matthew Hayden and it would still make up the worst opening pair ever - prior to this series, of course.

 

[BeeGee]

And apparently Rob Nicol!

This is just taking the piss now.

I honestly believe the selectors would pick me ahead of Watling. I am 43 with a dodgy back, sore knees and I can't remember where my bat is.

Watling just seems to be banned from the ODI team.

honestly believe = wildly fantasize

 

[Prince EWS]

I honestly believe the selectors would pick me ahead of Watling. I am 43 with a dodgy back, sore knees and I can't remember where my bat is.

Watling just seems to be banned from the ODI team.

honestly believe = wildly fantasize

I'm starting to think it's possible they just forget he's not already in the team every time they sit down to name a replacement for someone.

 

[_Ed_]

Inexplicable Nicol recall aside, happy with that news - Mills is probably the best available choice to be captain. Had a horrible feeling it might be NcCullum.

 

[Prince EWS]

Inexplicable Nicol recall aside, happy with that news

You have to put the inexplicable Ellis recall aside too, surely?

The last thing a squad with Anderson, Neesham and Munro in it needed as a seam bowling allrounder (see: bits and pieces player) who wouldn't be amongst the top twenty batsman or top fifteen bowlers in the country. There have been some circumstances throughout Ellis's career where his selection wasn't - or wouldn't have been - offensive. This is not one of those circumstances.

 

[Mike5181]

With all these random selections, we might as well have kept Fulton over there. He's several levels above our current openers.

 

[Hurricane]

At what point does McCullum become culpable for these abject results? How much rope does he have? As much as Taylor had?

At what point does McCullum become droppable for repeated failure to deliver anything worthwhile?

He is good to go for the rest of the summer. We have had a lot of change at the top and NZC will want stability. And we are not going back to Ross (he who has negative body language) under any circumstances as that would show up NZC. I also don't think there is any other obvious candidate with Kane needing another season in the side and honestly another year in age as he just looks so young and that will count against him in giving stiff talks to underperforming players. There is actually literature written on whether you can be an effective manager with a youthful appearance or not.

I am on record as saying that Ross was a better test match captain because he delivered test match victories.

By the same token I think that Baz is a better ODI captain than Ross was. Baz has produced some results in that area while we did not do well under Ross.

I think the compromise of split captaincy that Hesson ended up offering Ross should have been accepted and we would have had a couple more victories in the test arena over the past year. I think normally Ross would have accepted but he knew he just couldn't work with Hesson on a daily basis.

Lastly, there was a thread on here "what is the important aspect of captaincy" the winner of the poll was on field tactics above man management as a second, and me and one other bloke voted for your own performance as captain. Regardless of whether you agree with me that is the most important factor or just a factor amongst others Baz has not performed consistently in the test match arena himself as captain (although he has had some good knocks) - there was one game in England where he could have batted us to victory and he simply didn't show up. That is not courageous leadership. Part of the issue for Baz is that he seems to choke in general in on not all but some big occassions when the chips are down. This hurts his stock as a captain when you need to be the guy who rises to the occasion.

All these reservations aside I would keep him as captain for all of this summer as I have already stated. I think he is improving with his on field tactics. He has learned his lesson from that dreadful testosterone filled decision to bat first against SA and get bowled out for 45. And most importantly in my book he has not been a **** to Ross Taylor upon his return to the team. Baz and his drinking cronies could have sent Ross to a subtle coventry and made his position in the team untenable but Baz was not a wanker and showed some leadership in what must have been an awkward situation.