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*Official* New Zealand in Australia 2019/20
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Fuller Pilch
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Jordie Barrett (All Black utility back and very talented age grade cricketer) has been evicted from the MCG and banned for 24 hours.
Fuller Pilch
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There probably won't be a day 5 for him to return to watch.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
I mustnt be explaining myself properly as Im not saying Australia are going to lose now or anything.
I just dont like seeing us bat the way we did. I swear Jo Burns has gotten out 3 times this summer soon after having a chat to the Fox team. Smith was just wayyy too relaxed when he was on 6/7 not out talking again to the fox team. I dont love the way our top 4 batted for small reasons like career averages, reading stories about WAGner having the wood over Smith and the potential injury to one of our bowlers while batting.
Again these are just small talking points and obviously 1/150 would have been better. We are only playing 5 Tests this home summer, Id prefer to see as switched on more.
jcas0167
International Debutant
As long as they don't ban him from the SCG too, then Boult's replacement has presented himself.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Dear oh dear
Bahnz
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Yup, there's no need for another quick bowler in the squad now that there's only one test left to be played.
Daemon
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Wait they announced both squads together? Who the **** does that?
Not that it’d matter but still
Immenso
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I'd send a batsman. Drop Santner from 11. Don't even care if scg turns or not.
I would choose, Phillips. Handy that he can bowl some offbreaks. But real reason is to try and get the team over the 200 runs mark. I mean over 150. Plus be cool to have 4 keepers in the 11, I hear they call that 'total cricket'.
There isnt a test quality seamer left now anyway. Genuinely dont know who I'd choose for that, sadly believe Bennett is not that guy anymore. If seamer, then dont bother, only 1 test left.
I would choose, Phillips. Handy that he can bowl some offbreaks. But real reason is to try and get the team over the 200 runs mark. I mean over 150. Plus be cool to have 4 keepers in the 11, I hear they call that 'total cricket'.
There isnt a test quality seamer left now anyway. Genuinely dont know who I'd choose for that, sadly believe Bennett is not that guy anymore. If seamer, then dont bother, only 1 test left.
Spikey
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australia did for the back to back WI and Ashes series in 2015. That is almost understandable. NZ's one is not
thundaboult
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Embarrassing. All the talk about this being our best team ever. Pathetic. Didn't watch most of day 2 and didn't watch at all today. Glad to have saved so much time. I swear if these dudes come out after the end of this series and start talking about the "positives" they gained from this tour. There are no noteworthy positives. The definition of insanity is to keep trying the same thing over and over, and expecting it to work. Everytime we come to Aus, its the same goddamn story. We send trundlers. Our batsmen have been completely exposed. Its too obvious to tell that even our batsmen are trundlers by mindset. When the pressure is on from good fast bowling, we dot it up and try to accumulate. There are too many accumulators in this team. You need a maverick like KP or someone who can fight fire with fire! You can't block out a pace attack like this! You try to "grind out" tough runs against these guys and they will settle into a nice line and length, pounding away on the deck at about 90mph with quick bursts while an extremely capable spinner keeps them all fresh. F***ing do something! Counterattack! Try to throw them off their lines and lengths. But then again its obvious these our batters aren't mentally capable of trying anything else other than accumulate. Nicholls, Latham, KW, Watling (and to an extent, Santner) are all cut from the same cloth. Same dot it up and grind out runs method. But my gut just says, even if these guys were at their best to try and make tough runs by being defensive and tiring a bowling attack down, such as an attack of Aus's intensity and quality...they still wouldn't be able to do it. Either their lack of quality or technique would let them down. Simply not good enough to face up to this sort of an intense assault. And to drive my point home, the best innings that were played for our team in the 2015 tests...were by Ross and KW (no surprise there). and they batted in an attacking fashion. They were positive. They showed intent. We need intent. KW made his 140 at the gabba striking at 79. His 166 at perth striking at 67. Ross's 290 was at 78. Mcullum batted like, well..Mcullum. We need to show intent in our batting. And to those who say that well this aus attack doesn't give you anything to work with..well who said you have to work with them too? Have we tried doing something even mildly aggressive to throw them off? From what I've seen they haven't tried any of that. Hell, Blundell failed but his intent was fantastic! Anytime Starc gave width, he punched him through the gully region. And when Starc tried to overcompensate by bowling straight, he picked him off his pads for some runs to leg. Yes, Starc's radar was bit off but Blundell's confidence may have caused it to become a bit more erratic than usual. He played starc really well. He was trying to play his shots and looked composed while doing it.
Ross is an aggressor but he is extremely hit and miss. CDG, I feel has been exposed. He cannot handle high quality pace bowling and spin. Not many can and he certainly cannot. But at least he tries to be positive. I do like Blundell, he looks to try and move the game forward instead of dotting it up.
I said it before the series that Ajaz needs to play. I have no idea what he did to not be selected as an attacking specialist spinner. Most of you chose Somerville, who is also of the same ilk and a great choice too. Don't really know what he did to not be considered either??
All I can say is that this time, our bowlers have done better on this tour than on the last. At least on the basis of the first two tests. Instead of Aus declaring at 500 something, they are being bowled out for 400 something. Which tbh doesn't make any difference since our batting mostly sucks. But its somewhat of an improvement even though it isn't decisive to our chances of winning.
And for the love of god, enough with bowlers like Southee, CDG, Southee is horrible on these surfaces and while CDG does well, he is still a trundler and not an option for the future. Boult needs to be be told that if he is to tour on these surfaces, he needs to not hold back on pace for later spells or some other bulls*** like that. Run in each spell, bowl fast, hit the deck hard like we know you can. He can be menacing if he really wants to. He's done it a select few times before, but in just a single spell through the match. Its far too less. I've only seen him hit ranges of 143-147 regularly against SL in the first innings, first home test of 2018-19, the first 2017-18 home test against England, second innings where he was clocking 140-144 and hit Root on the head and body a couple times. Hit some of the SL batters too. On both occasions, the pitch had flattened out and he used Starc's mantra of f it, bowl fast. Need to do it far more often. And I don't even think he would break down and get injured the amount of times Starc does. He's a world class athlete.
I'll close out by saying that Lockie, Sears, Kuggelejin need to be given consistent opportunities. They HAVE to be a part of our next AUS tour or some other 140k+ bowlers. And ideally, with lots of test match experience already under their belt at that point. I remember Mike Holding saying that genuinely quick bowlers will win you tests everywhere mainly because of the increased fear factor. Right now, only India and Australia have a fear factor. We all know the pace starc cummins hazelwood and pattinson get. Shami, Yadav and Bumrah are always in the 140's (even more so when playing on australian, english and south african surfaces over the last 2 years) and hell even Ishant gets there sometimes.
Yes the bowlers need to be good and accurate, but that level of quality will come with playing actual tests. Lets give these rapid bowlers a chance at a younger age and not when they are 29. Give them a chance to grow.
Ross is an aggressor but he is extremely hit and miss. CDG, I feel has been exposed. He cannot handle high quality pace bowling and spin. Not many can and he certainly cannot. But at least he tries to be positive. I do like Blundell, he looks to try and move the game forward instead of dotting it up.
I said it before the series that Ajaz needs to play. I have no idea what he did to not be selected as an attacking specialist spinner. Most of you chose Somerville, who is also of the same ilk and a great choice too. Don't really know what he did to not be considered either??
All I can say is that this time, our bowlers have done better on this tour than on the last. At least on the basis of the first two tests. Instead of Aus declaring at 500 something, they are being bowled out for 400 something. Which tbh doesn't make any difference since our batting mostly sucks. But its somewhat of an improvement even though it isn't decisive to our chances of winning.
And for the love of god, enough with bowlers like Southee, CDG, Southee is horrible on these surfaces and while CDG does well, he is still a trundler and not an option for the future. Boult needs to be be told that if he is to tour on these surfaces, he needs to not hold back on pace for later spells or some other bulls*** like that. Run in each spell, bowl fast, hit the deck hard like we know you can. He can be menacing if he really wants to. He's done it a select few times before, but in just a single spell through the match. Its far too less. I've only seen him hit ranges of 143-147 regularly against SL in the first innings, first home test of 2018-19, the first 2017-18 home test against England, second innings where he was clocking 140-144 and hit Root on the head and body a couple times. Hit some of the SL batters too. On both occasions, the pitch had flattened out and he used Starc's mantra of f it, bowl fast. Need to do it far more often. And I don't even think he would break down and get injured the amount of times Starc does. He's a world class athlete.
I'll close out by saying that Lockie, Sears, Kuggelejin need to be given consistent opportunities. They HAVE to be a part of our next AUS tour or some other 140k+ bowlers. And ideally, with lots of test match experience already under their belt at that point. I remember Mike Holding saying that genuinely quick bowlers will win you tests everywhere mainly because of the increased fear factor. Right now, only India and Australia have a fear factor. We all know the pace starc cummins hazelwood and pattinson get. Shami, Yadav and Bumrah are always in the 140's (even more so when playing on australian, english and south african surfaces over the last 2 years) and hell even Ishant gets there sometimes.
Yes the bowlers need to be good and accurate, but that level of quality will come with playing actual tests. Lets give these rapid bowlers a chance at a younger age and not when they are 29. Give them a chance to grow.
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Wagner is definitely a positive. Not actually a good player but padded his stats nicely bowling filth and being gifted wickets so future kiwis will be able to look back and say "see this guy was good look at his stats" and pick him in ATG teams.
and **** off phlegm.
at least CdG has been shown up as the hack all intelligent cricket fans knew him to be
and **** off phlegm.
at least CdG has been shown up as the hack all intelligent cricket fans knew him to be
Gnske
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No one does well in Australia unless you cheat and rub mint saliva on a ball. It's all g man.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Having a go at CDG with the ball is bizarre. Guy is very economical and picks up key wickets. NZ stuffed up by not giving Ferguson some tests last summer
thundaboult
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I will admit that CDG does his role very well, but my main concern is that he will most likely not be on the next tour to Aus for tests. Wagner is our best red ball bowler of the last 5 years and deserves recognition. He is a definite positive. Same concern, will he be there the next tour? I sure hope so.