**Official** New Zealand in Australia 2015

[weldone]

what cricket fan doesn't know Bradman's 29 centuries in 56 tests statistic off by heart tho
His 100s/innings ratio can't be that shocking

52 tests..

haha lol

 

[Furball]

*29 tons in 80 innings.

 

[Jezroy]

I just don't know where to start. In absolutely shell shocked by the first 6 days of this series. I thought we might do alright in this series, even though Aussie were favourites. But we've just been steam rolled so far. We can't seem to adapt when the pitch is flat and conditions don't favour our bowlers. And then come out turn to bat, there is so much scorecard pressure, and our shots tend to be a little loose, and people like Starc can take the pitch out of the equation somewhat. The bowling hasn't been consistent enough. The use of the DRS has been dire (the DRS rules are dire TBF). The whole series so far has been a let down (apart from Kane 140). Me so sad. This is not the team that has been building so nicely over the last couple of years.

 

[Tangles]

Losing the toss is big on pitches this flat. You then have to limit the scoring and respond to the scoreboard pressure with a big or long 1st innings total. The Aussies have literally zero pressure batting most of the time. That's not good enough.

 

[Gnske]

I think you could count less than 10 plays and misses yesterday the alleged figure from CH9 was.

 

[Furball]

Nah **** off with blaming the toss. Australia batted first in 4 out of 5 Tests in 2010/11 and got spanked.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Nah **** off with blaming the toss. Australia batted first in 4 out of 5 Tests in 2010/11 and got spanked.

This.

The difference is Australia's bowlers can actually threaten in unhelpful conditions, whereas NZ quicks are useless unless they've got a greentop and cloud cover

 

[Adgey]

I miss Shane Bond, he would've sorted these jokers out and made them bowl better.

 

[Furball]

Crazy that this top three is already equal with the record for the most centuries by a top three in any test series of any length, in the first innings of the second test.

Surely that isn't right? Just off the top of my head England's top 3 scored 6 tons in 2010/11 and I don't remember that stat being trotted out at all...

 

[TheJediBrah]

Surely that isn't right? Just off the top of my head England's top 3 scored 6 tons in 2010/11 and I don't remember that stat being trotted out at all...

It's not, someone mentioned earlier as well that in Aus tour of WI 2003 Langer/Hayden/Ponting scored 7 in 4 tests.

Maybe its a record for a 3 test series

 

[Hurricane]

This.

The difference is Australia's bowlers can actually threaten in unhelpful conditions, whereas NZ quicks are useless unless they've got a greentop and cloud cover

I hesitate to respond to you, but just a question for the group, what other countries can be effective in Australia. England have had good runs there I guess in certain series but not all attempts.

 

[GotSpin]

i hesitate to respond to you, but just a question for the group, what other countries can be effective in australia. England have had good runs there i guess in certain series but not all attempts.

sa

 

[Furball]

And the lost tosses, sabotaged prep and poor umpiring decisions. We never had a chance.

At least KW has more test centuries than Bradman at the same age, is the man Alan Border would pick to bat for his life, and is going to be better than Tendulkar. When you have a living God in your side, winning is only a secondary consideration.

 

[Furball]

It's not, someone mentioned earlier as well that in Aus tour of WI 2003 Langer/Hayden/Ponting scored 7 in 4 tests.

Maybe its a record for a 3 test series

Yeah I kind of jumped in with that post before actually reading a few more pages into the discussion.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I hesitate to respond to you, but just a question for the group, what other countries can be effective in Australia. England have had good runs there I guess in certain series but not all attempts.

It's not about "what countries" it's about what bowling attacks. assuming you're referring to current bowling attacks, I guess a full strength SA would be the only one atm. Except I can imagine Philander would struggle, Steyn and Morkel in form could be dangerous.

It also depends on the batting strength, obviously. England 10/11 bowled freakishly well, but were also helped by the Aus batsman pretty much all being terribly out of form.

 

[jonbrooks]

Losing the toss is big on pitches this flat. You then have to limit the scoring and respond to the scoreboard pressure with a big or long 1st innings total. The Aussies have literally zero pressure batting most of the time. That's not good enough.

Agreed. Batting first on these types of wickets is critical.

 

[jonbrooks]

It's not about "what countries" it's about what bowling attacks. assuming you're referring to current bowling attacks, I guess a full strength SA would be the only one atm. Except I can imagine Philander would struggle, Steyn and Morkel in form could be dangerous.

It also depends on the batting strength, obviously. England 10/11 bowled freakishly well, but were also helped by the Aus batsman pretty much all being terribly out of form.

On these Aussie wickets you need "in to the deck" bowlers. Tall, accurate and quick bowlers who will persist with line and length with excellent groupings. Aussies have these bowlers in the form of Starc and Johnson with Hazlewood playing the role of the third seamer.

 

[jonbrooks]

I miss Shane Bond, he would've sorted these jokers out and made them bowl better.

Agreed! Really have to question our tactics here.

 

[jonbrooks]

I think what we need is someone like Adam Milne on this wickets. Not saying he'd be a game winner or anything, just feel he'd be more effective than the floaters.

 

[TheJediBrah]

On these Aussie wickets you need "in to the deck" bowlers. Tall, accurate and quick bowlers who will persist with line and length with excellent groupings. Aussies have these bowlers in the form of Starc and Johnson with Hazlewood playing the role of the third seamer.

the main difference atm is just pace. When the balls not swinging 130k "thunderboults" isn't doing ****.

It's far from essential though. A genuinely good bowler, in form, who bowls well can take wickets regardless of what type of bowler they are. NZ don't have one of those right now.

I think what we need is someone like Adam Milne on this wickets. Not saying he'd be a game winner or anything, just feel he'd be more effective than the floaters.

that's the kind of thinking that has got teams into trouble in the past

"hmm we need pace, lets pick this guy, he bowls fast"

15 overs later, guy bowls ****, 0/100, "well that didn't work"

You still need to be good, not just fast.