***Official New Zealand Domestic Season Thread 2009/10

[Flem274*]

Days of blind hope | Opinion | Cricinfo Magazine | Cricinfo.com

Thought this was interesting. Trial games is an idea that could be floated so we don't pick more Mathew Bells.

Could have a Black Caps vs NZ A 5 day game three match series which would be pretty cool to watch. Won't ever happen and obviously isn't the answer to all our problems but it would be interesting to see who wins and who performs.

EDIT: Or alternatively we could mix the teams up. Bond vs McIntosh would be hilarious.

 

[Athlai]

Would be a geat idea

 

[James]

Tend to think something that could be explored is a North & South Island team playing in Australia in October. Domestic season in Aussie has already started. NZ domestic season doesn't start for another month.

 

[Flem274*]

Just for fun I'll chuck some names down for the two sides. I'll mix the black caps up so they don't romp to a 10 wicket win vs Michael Papps and Mark Gillespie.

New Zealand Black

Martin Guptill
Jamie How
Daniel Flynn
Peter Fulton
Jesse Ryder
Grant Elliott
Brendan McCullum
Nathan McCullum/Jeetan Patel/whoever our second spinner is
Ian Butler
Daryl Tuffey
Shane Bond

New Zealand White

Tim McIntosh
Bradley Watling
Brad Patton/Mathew Sinclair/Johan Myburgh (sic)
Ross Taylor
Neil Broom
James Franklin
Kruger van Wyk
Daniel Vettori
Iain O'Brien
Neil Wagner
Chris Martin

NZ Black is obviously still stronger, so a bit more sorting is probably needed, but that would be interesting. Made sure the top four seamers were seperated along with Bond and Vettori but NZ White's batting is iffy.

 

[Athlai]

In first class cricket McCullum isn't close to being the second spinner. The main rivals for Jeets would hail from Wellington or still be relatively inexperienced. Also it needs more Southee. Deserves to be in at least the second XI. Wagner can't play for us yet can he? Nor can van Wyk?

Oh and Bond is in the wrong team, he'd be prone to breaking in that lineup due to the lack of good workhorses.

 

[DIRK-NANNES]

Tend to think something that could be explored is a North & South Island team playing in Australia in October. Domestic season in Aussie has already started. NZ domestic season doesn't start for another month.

I posted this in another (wrong) thread, but something like this would be cool
North Island v South Island at New Plymouth, Feb 13, 2005 | Cricket Scorecard | Cricinfo.com

As for 1st XI vs 2nd XI, they'd probably mix it up (like the Black vs White above) in order to save the 1st XI from embarrassment when they deservedly get beaten

 

[Flem274*]

Also provides more of a challenge for the Black Caps. I'd expect Bond, Tuffey, Martin, Vettori, Franklin/Elliott/our new allrounder to slice through How, Watling, Patton, Fulton, Broom pretty easily.

Whereas Bond vs Ryder or Taylor would be a cracker.

 

[Flem274*]

In first class cricket McCullum isn't close to being the second spinner. The main rivals for Jeets would hail from Wellington or still be relatively inexperienced. Also it needs more Southee. Deserves to be in at least the second XI. Wagner can't play for us yet can he? Nor can van Wyk?

Oh and Bond is in the wrong team, he'd be prone to breaking in that lineup due to the lack of good workhorses.

Thought I'd forgotten someone. Butler makes way for Southee then (this is first class cricket, not one day cricket to clarify).

Would people object to recent U19s such as Williamson and Boult making the sides? Would be interesting, Williamson has already taken to Bond once iirc.

 

[Flem274*]

Just for fun I'll chuck some names down for the two sides. I'll mix the black caps up so they don't romp to a 10 wicket win vs Michael Papps and Mark Gillespie.

New Zealand Black

Martin Guptill
Jamie How
Daniel Flynn
Peter Fulton
Jesse Ryder
Grant Elliott
Brendan McCullum
Nathan McCullum/Jeetan Patel/whoever our second spinner is
Ian Butler
Daryl Tuffey
Shane Bond

New Zealand White

Tim McIntosh
Bradley Watling
Brad Patton/Mathew Sinclair/Johan Myburgh (sic)
Ross Taylor
Neil Broom
James Franklin
Kruger van Wyk
Daniel Vettori
Iain O'Brien
Neil Wagner
Chris Martin

NZ Black is obviously still stronger, so a bit more sorting is probably needed, but that would be interesting. Made sure the top four seamers were seperated along with Bond and Vettori but NZ White's batting is iffy.

New Zealand Black

Martin Guptill
Jamie How
Daniel Flynn
Peter Fulton/Kane Williamson
Ross Taylor
Grant Elliott
Brendan McCullum
Tim Southee
Shane Bond
Iain O'Brien
Tarun Nethula (a stretch, but has more of a long term future than others)

New Zealand White

Tim McIntosh
Bradley Watling
Mathew Sinclair/Brad Patton/Myburgh
Jesse Ryder
Neil Broom/Kane Williamson
James Franklin
Daniel Vettori
Gareth Hopkins
Daryl Tuffey
Trent Boult
Chris Martin

All South Africans that aren't eligible are gone (bar Myburgh, who is only a possible). Didn't know where to put Williamson.

 

[Smudge]

Why wouldn't you include Wagner when he's on the road to eligibility? Short-sighted, IMO.

 

[Athlai]

Well this is a 'trial' to see who to play in the next series so his inclusion would be keeping a possible player out.

 

[Hurricane]

good job dividing the teams. Should be a good match.

I don't want sinclair involved even in a trial game. He has had enough chances.

 

[Howsie]

Hopkins?

Surely we could pick someone else with an actual future with New Zealand cricket.

 

[aussie]

Just wondering is Colin de Grandhomme qualified to play for NZ. If yes do you Kiwis who have seen him think he is good?

 

[DIRK-NANNES]

Just wondering is Colin de Grandhomme qualified to play for NZ. If yes do you Kiwis who have seen him think he is good?

Yeah, he's qualified now
I personally haven't seen him live, but he was number 1 on the MVP list for last season's First Class competition and was part of our most recent Emerging Players team.

With age on his side and all-round credentials, it's probably a safe bet he'll play for NZ sometime soon, especially in this 'post Oram' era

 

[Howsie]

Just wondering is Colin de Grandhomme qualified to play for NZ. If yes do you Kiwis who have seen him think he is good?

Depends on the format I spose. He's a very good hitter of the cricket ball, and from what I've seen I've him he could do quite well opening or coming in at the end of the innings, he looks to play proper cricket shots but has a lot of power behind them.

His bowling isn't anything to write home about, I haven't actually seen him bowl that much but it wouldn't be any quicker then 130K. He should be a very good ODI/20/20 player though.

 

[Flem274*]

He's actualy really come along as a bowler in the past season or two. Always thought he was a batsman but he's been taking wickets with his medium fasts or whatever they are. No idea how fast he is, but at FC cricket atm you could argue it's his stronger suit.

His List A record is crap at this point, seems to have taken a liking to FC though. Only 23 so that batting average will hopefuly increase. If it did and the bowling stays where it is he's a chance. Certainly seems similar in figures to Elliott in FC cricket. Has a lot of ctaching up to do in List A though.

Pretty sure one of the Aucklanders on here took a liking to him (tentatively putting forward JimmyGS here). Haven't seen the guy play much but he's worth keeping an eye on. Corey Anderson has stolen a lot of his thunder as the up and coming young allrounder, which is probably unfair considering all Anderson has done is score a couple of 80s.

 

[Howsie]

He's actualy really come along as a bowler in the past season or two. Always thought he was a batsman but he's been taking wickets with his medium fasts or whatever they are. No idea how fast he is, but at FC cricket atm you could argue it's his stronger suit.

His List A record is crap at this point, seems to have taken a liking to FC though. Only 23 so that batting average will hopefuly increase. If it did and the bowling stays where it is he's a chance. Certainly seems similar in figures to Elliott in FC cricket. Has a lot of ctaching up to do in List A though.

Pretty sure one of the Aucklanders on here took a liking to him (tentatively putting forward JimmyGS here). Haven't seen the guy play much but he's worth keeping an eye on. Corey Anderson has stolen a lot of his thunder as the up and coming young allrounder, which is probably unfair considering all Anderson has done is score a couple of 80s.

Probably because Anderson had some pretty good speed for a 16-17 year old, found this clip on Youtube the other day, pretty interesting really: YouTube - Reporter gets hit in head by cricket ball That was almost three years ago, it's a shame he doesn't bowl anymore tbh.

 

[Flem274*]

Hopkins?

Surely we could pick someone else with an actual future with New Zealand cricket.

The keepers are:

Gareth Hopkins | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com

Reece Young | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com

Peter McGlashan | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com

Bevan Griggs | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com

Chris Nevin | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com

Kruger van Wyk | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com

Derek de Boorder | Cricket Players and Officials | Cricinfo.com

One thing I never had a clue on was the de Boorder was so young! Thought he was way older.

But those are the wicketkeepers in the country. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, Hopkins is as good as any imo. He's not great at batting but he can catch which is a start.

 

[Flem274*]

Probably because Anderson had some pretty good speed for a 16-17 year old, found this clip on Youtube the other day, pretty interesting really: YouTube - Reporter gets hit in head by cricket ball That was almost three years ago, it's a shame he doesn't bowl anymore tbh.

Why did he give away bowling?