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***Official New Zealand Domestic Season Thread 2009/10

thierry henry

thierry henry

International Coach
trapol said:
Two seasons ago Nethula couldnt even get a bowl for his club team. So not sure where the 10 years of ripping them down came from? He mightve been trying to bowl em but not as seriously as now
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That's rubbish

ftr I got "10 years" from the fact that I played against him in 1999/2000. He was a 16 year old leg-spinning prodigy who had earlier that season bowled against the Black Caps in the nets as preparation for playing Shane Warne.

He is also a very capable bat though, and got a big ton in that game I played against him.
 
Howsie

Howsie

International Captain
Raval 99* over night :laugh: Hopkins could of tried to get him the strike during the last two overs.
 
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trapol

U19 12th Man
Yeah guys youre right im lying. He had two guys Rob Nicol/Fraser Diver bowling in front of him.

Oh and Flem our bowlers are average, Richardson is correct. Dont get me wrong our batsman arent performing either but before this series/or Bangladesh how many times have our bowlers bowled NZ to victory. I can think of England in the first test and WI in 2006 and not much else.

Look even at Old Trafford on the last tour. Yes NZ colapsed in our usual 2nd innings but England STILL had to make a record score to win. Vettori hasnt bowled NZ to victory for gods knows how many years and is almost exclusively now a batsman. Bond is a huge key and obviously our ability to get those 20 wickets increases greatly when he plays.

Even the last test in Welly, NZ had the best of the bowling conditions and Pakistan still made the highest score of the test batting first on a pitch taht had been under covers for a week and was seaming everywhere.

So in summary yes our batting is not performing but if you think our bowling is anything other than average at best then you are dreaming.
 
Howsie

Howsie

International Captain
trapol said:
Yeah guys youre right im lying. He had two guys Rob Nicol/Fraser Diver bowling in front of him.

Oh and Flem our bowlers are average, Richardson is correct. Dont get me wrong our batsman arent performing either but before this series/or Bangladesh how many times have our bowlers bowled NZ to victory. I can think of England in the first test and WI in 2006 and not much else.

Look even at Old Trafford on the last tour. Yes NZ colapsed in our usual 2nd innings but England STILL had to make a record score to win. Vettori hasnt bowled NZ to victory for gods knows how many years and is almost exclusively now a batsman. Bond is a huge key and obviously our ability to get those 20 wickets increases greatly when he plays.

Even the last test in Welly, NZ had the best of the bowling conditions and Pakistan still made the highest score of the test batting first on a pitch taht had been under covers for a week and was seaming everywhere.

So in summary yes our batting is not performing but if you think our bowling is anything other than average at best then you are dreaming.
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Agree with Trapol here. When was the last time Chris Martin even picked up a five wicket bag?
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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trapol said:
Yeah guys youre right im lying. He had two guys Rob Nicol/Fraser Diver bowling in front of him.

Oh and Flem our bowlers are average, Richardson is correct. Dont get me wrong our batsman arent performing either but before this series/or Bangladesh how many times have our bowlers bowled NZ to victory. I can think of England in the first test and WI in 2006 and not much else.

Look even at Old Trafford on the last tour. Yes NZ colapsed in our usual 2nd innings but England STILL had to make a record score to win. Vettori hasnt bowled NZ to victory for gods knows how many years and is almost exclusively now a batsman. Bond is a huge key and obviously our ability to get those 20 wickets increases greatly when he plays.

Even the last test in Welly, NZ had the best of the bowling conditions and Pakistan still made the highest score of the test batting first on a pitch taht had been under covers for a week and was seaming everywhere.

So in summary yes our batting is not performing but if you think our bowling is anything other than average at best then you are dreaming.
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Hows your mate Dave the guru?

That Wellington pitch wasn't seaming everywhere, give me a break.

Time and again it has been our batsmen that have failed us and the bowlers get the blame from the likes of Richardson. Like India, they bowl very well as a unit and you may have noticed Iain O'Brien has been on fire this series.

Read my blog in my signature and you'll find that since Vettori took over the captaincy in 20 tests we've bowled test class opposition out for under 300 eleven times. New Zealand have a collective bowling average of 37. I compared collective bowling average with the top three sides: India, Australia and South Africa. South Africa are way ahead with an average of 31, Australia average 34 and India, the current number one....38. So much for Richardson's theory. India have a bunch of quality spinners that get to bowl in favourable home conditions too I might add.

I haven't compared this with anyone else but it will be interesting when I do.

Our bowlers haven't bowled us to victory because to do that those players that are supposed to be batsmen need to score runs, which they hardly ever do. Old Trafford was a horrible choke I agree, but its not a common trend. For a start since when are NZ ever provided with 500 to defend?

Mark Richardson, being a successful opening batsman that knows a lot about batting, would be better served giving McIntosh and co. some help rather than giggling in the commentary box winding Simon Doull up and writing drivel about needing to pick players based on a speed radar.

But yep lets drop all the bowlers and pick some eighteen year old 140kph quick before he's even finished deciphering NCEA marking systems. Good idea.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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Howsie said:
Agree with Trapol here. When was the last time Chris Martin even picked up a five wicket bag?
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I don't rate Chris Martin anywhere near Iain O'Brien, Daryl Tuffey, Tim Southee or Trent Boult.

The last time he picked up a five wicket bag was probably in South Africa where he always does well. He's not a strike bowler anymore I would agree and I've said this for some time. O'Brien or Tuffey would be better with the new ball.
 
Howsie

Howsie

International Captain
Flem274* said:
I don't rate Chris Martin anywhere near Iain O'Brien, Daryl Tuffey, Tim Southee or Trent Boult.

The last time he picked up a five wicket bag was probably in South Africa where he always does well. He's not a strike bowler anymore I would agree and I've said this for some time. O'Brien or Tuffey would be better with the new ball.
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Haha finally we agree on something. Martin should **** of after this 3rd test but the chances of that happening are pretty slim, the guy's deadset average and has been for quite sometime.

Bond
Southee
Tuffey
Arnel

Solid. Sadly Trent Boult ain't going to play for New Zealand for some time, he can barely manage a four day game at the moment.
 
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trapol

U19 12th Man
Thats right Howsie Boult is very average at present. His selection was one of the most terrible picks for a very long time. He cant get a game for ND, admitedly they are the best bowling unit in the country but to be fair to him he is only 20 and judging somebody as good or rubbish at 20 is foolish.

Test class Flem do you mean Bangladesh? If you think our bowling unit is anywhere near that Australia/South Africa or India then you are delusional. I do however think you are missing Richardsons point, he is not suggesting the fastest bowlers in the country and turning them loose on the world stage but merely that if we want to consistently be in the top 3 in world cricket then we need a bowling unit where the majority bowl in that range. On top of that he suggests that our first class batsman would then be faced with GOOD 140km bowlers rather than the McClenaghans and co who bowl all over the place.

As for Wellington yes it indeed seamed all over the place, or at least it did on my TV!! I seem to recall Umar Akmal getting castled by Tuffey by one that seamed back a mile, Taylors delivery was measured to have PITCHED 6" outside off stump and there were at least 1-2 balls beating the bat every over. Mo Yousef even said it was very difficult batting conditions.
Im saying it was a sh!t wicket though, it is certainly a better pitch than the rubbish that is McLean Park. That road is ridiculous.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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trapol said:
Thats right Howsie Boult is very average at present. His selection was one of the most terrible picks for a very long time. He cant get a game for ND, admitedly they are the best bowling unit in the country but to be fair to him he is only 20 and judging somebody as good or rubbish at 20 is foolish.

Test class Flem do you mean Bangladesh? If you think our bowling unit is anywhere near that Australia/South Africa or India then you are delusional. I do however think you are missing Richardsons point, he is not suggesting the fastest bowlers in the country and turning them loose on the world stage but merely that if we want to consistently be in the top 3 in world cricket then we need a bowling unit where the majority bowl in that range. On top of that he suggests that our first class batsman would then be faced with GOOD 140km bowlers rather than the McClenaghans and co who bowl all over the place.

As for Wellington yes it indeed seamed all over the place, or at least it did on my TV!! I seem to recall Umar Akmal getting castled by Tuffey by one that seamed back a mile, Taylors delivery was measured to have PITCHED 6" outside off stump and there were at least 1-2 balls beating the bat every over. Mo Yousef even said it was very difficult batting conditions.
Im saying it was a sh!t wicket though, it is certainly a better pitch than the rubbish that is McLean Park. That road is ridiculous.
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I had a debate in the Test thread similar to this last night and am very over it but I will reply.

I excluded minnows.

The majority of the bowling unit do not need to bowl in that range. Dale Steyn is the main man in the South African line up since the decline of Ntini, Morkel without minnows is poor and Harris is underrated.

Australia can't even decide on their third pace bowler, thanks partly to injuries to Clark and Lee. The inconsistent Johnson is the man in that attack with back up from Siddle and Hauritz being a solid spinner in favourable conditions.

India'a seam attack is on par with ours. They have a God like batting line up and high quality spin though.

I've already agreed that faster good bowlers would be excellent for our domestic game. At this point they're very much a work in progress. In the meantime, quality seam and swing, the staple of NZ sides in the 2000s, is fine. It won England the Ashes.

Wellington did not seam all over the place. Those batting line ups are barely test standard and made the pitch look a lot worse than it was. Test class batsmen scored runs on that pitch, or at least got starts. Both sides bowling is light years ahead of its batting and it showed. The pitch was fair, there was a little in it for the bowlers and if the batsmen were concentrating, they had a nice surface to work with as well. Umar Akmal was taken out by a jem of a delivery. Incidentally Tuffey is the kind of bowler that finds anything remotely possible in the pitch, its how he succeeded in his glory days.
 
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Howsie

Howsie

International Captain
Guess what, I rate Bennett even higher now after heading down to Seddon Park to watch todays play. I watched until McGlashan got out but he was bowling quick, and was beating the batsmen quite a lot. Corey Anderson also has a crap load of pace, he wouldn't be far of Bennett's pace either tbh plus he's a left armer. Can't wait until Anderson's ready to go for New Zealand, amazing all-round prospect.
 
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