*Official* NatWest Series: ENG v SA v ZIM

[Neil Pickup]

Giles
Flighted
Kallis
Down the Pitch
Straight
Six

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Kallis on fire! Good for him.

I obviously haven't seen Gough bowl this summer, but his figures seem pretty solid. He seems to have made a smooth transition back from injury. Am I right in this assumption?

 

[Rich2001]

Kallis on fire! Good for him.

I obviously haven't seen Gough bowl this summer, but his figures seem pretty solid. He seems to have made a smooth transition back from injury. Am I right in this assumption?

Yep, his done well on returning to the side, bar a few periods of avgerage overs... but who doesn't

 

[marc71178]

Giles
Flighted
Kallis
Down the Pitch
Straight
Six

he should've been bowling attacking leg spin...

 

[chris.hinton]

I don't recall your being too critical of Gareth Batty being hammered all around in his brief appearances down under :P

Chris, nobody is saying that spinners should always be defensive in ODIs.

Your suggestion that pace bowlers play the containment role and the spinners attack is laughable when used in context with the current English ODI side. James Anderson, Darren Gough and Richard Johnson are not containment bowlers and will go for as many when trying to keep it down - they won't bowl the unplayables either.

The simple facts at present are that we don't have a wicket taking spinner, we have four excellent (if inconsistent) quicks, so Giles can tie down an end as a counterweight.

Oh, Terry Jenner is in charge of the ECB Spin programme. The problems are at club level, not Internationally - and I'm yet to see a better option for spin bowling than Ashley.

Gough,Johnosn,Anderson should also be attacking bowlers whilst Flintoff plays the Defensive role with McGrath but Giles should attack also

We dont have a wicket taking spinner and we wont IF English Coaches dont chance there act and swollow there pride and say that an Aussie is right?

Jenner is indeed inchange of the ECB Spin Programme and it will bear fruit there are 4 spinner coming though:-

Michael Munday is in Somerset 2nds has played for Cornwall in Minor Counties when he was 16 and took a 5 for for Oxford vs Cambridge in the Varsity match at Lords

Mark Bagley has done well for Bradford and leeds University he sclap include Craig White and Shah

Mark Lawson Toured with England Under 19s and is in Yorkshire 2nd xi Awaiting his Debut
And there are a few other who are doing well

And Gareth Batty went for 40 off 10 in his only match but created 3 chances which is more then Giles ever does

 

[chris.hinton]

Giles
Flighted
Kallis
Down the Pitch
Straight
Six

Good ball excellent shot he drove him a leggie would been happy with that it does not matter if you get hit for 6 but the next ball is a Challange



Becasue if it been say 6 feet either way then it would have been a wicket it was that close Giles created a chance

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

And Gareth Batty went for 40 off 10 in his only match but created 3 chances which is more then Giles ever does

I don't know how to break this to you Chris, but Batty has played 2 matches. The second of which he bowled 10-0-65-1 and his debut 10-0-55-0. I don't know where you got your stats, but someones misleading you.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Becasue if it been say 6 feet either way then it would have been a wicket it was that close Giles created a chance

It must have just cleared the rope then.

 

[Rich2001]

It must have just cleared the rope then.

Not from what I can remember, the ball (athough didn't go miles) it didn't just clear the rope either, it would have probley been about 15 meters clear, and the only person who could have got a hand on it was a poor bloke (steward I guess, walking around and landed about two meters infront of him) - The more I think I can't recall any commentators saying oh that was nearly a chance, or will ????? get under it.

Hey always a chance iam wrong though

 

[chris.hinton]

I don't know how to break this to you Chris, but Batty has played 2 matches. The second of which he bowled 10-0-65-1 and his debut 10-0-55-0. I don't know where you got your stats, but someones misleading you.

Hey he got a wicket in his 2 games Giles has only got one in 7 matches... and Batty was playing against the world champions

 

[Rich2001]

Hey he got a wicket in his 2 games Giles has only got one in 7 matches... and Batty was playing against the world champions

But techincally they are still 1 wicket each so if Batty played another 5 matches would he get another wicket?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Hey he got a wicket in his 2 games Giles has only got one in 7 matches... and Batty was playing against the world champions

Yet again you are misinformed.

Giles has 3 wickets in his last 7 matches. His average is 89, but his econ. is 4.45.

Batty's econ. was 6. It's ridiculous to compare the two anyway. One is way more experienced than the other.

 

[chris.hinton]

Yet again you are misinformed.

Giles has 3 wickets in his last 7 matches. His average is 89, but his econ. is 4.45.

Batty's econ. was 6. It's ridiculous to compare the two anyway. One is way more experienced than the other.

His Ecom is good but HE does not wickets

 

[marc71178]

And that's the role he's been asked to play in the team, so where's the problem?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

His Ecom is good but HE does not wickets

It's ODI cricket!!! Gough/Flintoff/Anderson combines for an average 4 wickets per macth. Then there's Johnson who will be used to take wickets, which he is very capable of doing. If Giles can tie up one end, I think England have a good ODI attack.

 

[Rik]

It's ODI cricket!!! Gough/Flintoff/Anderson combines for an average 4 wickets per macth. Then there's Johnson who will be used to take wickets, which he is very capable of doing. If Giles can tie up one end, I think England have a good ODI attack.

As I've said before, at the moment he's not even economical, which is the problem. He's bowled in 3 matches so far and he's gone for 139 runs from 26 overs without taking a wicket at an econ of 5.35 an over.

 

[marc71178]

Why isolate 3 games, which don't show a great deal, when there's other recent games that he's bowled in and should surely come into consideration?

 

[chris.hinton]

It's ODI cricket!!! Gough/Flintoff/Anderson combines for an average 4 wickets per macth. Then there's Johnson who will be used to take wickets, which he is very capable of doing. If Giles can tie up one end, I think England have a good ODI attack.

ok, But Giles should still attack with Gough and Anderson, And since when did West Indians know anything about spin

 

[marc71178]

First, a sweeping generalisation there Chris.

Second, you still haven't answered why he should attack when we already have Anderson, Gough, Johnson and Flintoff attacking?

 

[Eclipse]

I just dont know if Giles actualy has the skill to bowl attackingly.

Seems to me like he is actualy more likley to take wickets being deffensive.

Obvously spinners should be encouraged to bowl attackingly in general especialy when they are young but IMO untill Giles improves his techneque it's worthless him trying to attack to much.