FaaipDeOiad
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You think they'd average 45 playing for Queensland, too?tooextracool said:
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tooextracool
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why does that take anything special? domestic cricket proves nothing as to how good a player is at the international level.FaaipDeOiad said:
blackwell averages 45 for somerset btw.
tooextracool
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he may have more ability than blackwell and clarke to succeed at the international level, but ATM none of them are good enough to be playing international cricket.aussie said:
Barney Rubble
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I wouldn't say anyone really "hyped it up" - I don't think anyone was pushing for his recall, anyway. However, 134* off 71 balls, 10x4, 10x6 doesn't really need hyping up. It was the most brutal display of slogging seen in this coutry for many a year.FaaipDeOiad said:
FaaipDeOiad
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Out of curiosity, when have you seen him bat aside from 2 or 3 overs at the end of an ODI innings?tooextracool said:
vic_orthdox
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Operative word. Slogging.Barney Rubble said:
Barney Rubble
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Indeed.vic_orthdox said:
I'm assuming you mean this innings from Cairns.
http://live.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004/NZ_IN_ENG/SCORECARDS/NZ_ENG_T1_20-24MAY2004.html
In which case, 10 sixes as compared to 4, and 134* compared to 82........Blackwell still gets my vote for brutality.
Not for talent though!
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(Start at over 81 in NZ second innings)
Barney Rubble
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tooextracool
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he certainly got a lot more than 2-3 overs at headingly. and i did watch him in that one test against pakistan. look, his batting isnt something to shout about, and do you honestly believe that its worth a place in the side ahead of some of their other batting reserves?because really his bowling doesnt offer anything to the side.FaaipDeOiad said:
FaaipDeOiad
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Not yet, although I think he's got a fairly strong case building in ODIs as a batting all-rounder if a slot up the order becomes available, if he can develop his variations a little more to become more economical. In international cricket though, he doesn't warrant a spot on batting alone right now, although in honesty I'd put him in the top 5 or 6 for a middle order spot. His bowling obviously needs more work before he's good enough to play as a test all-rounder, but it's really not uncommon for somoene in Watson's position to look poor when he first arrives in the team. He's certainly got more ability with the ball than you give him credit for, I think... more than someone like Blackwell or Clarke. He bowled plenty of balls in the Bangladesh match that could have got better batsmen out as well, and he's taken a 10 wicket haul in FC cricket in Australia, which puts him a bit above your average medium pace dobber.tooextracool said:
aussie
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the lads career has just started, so its common for newbies to be poor at the start of their career, your underating his ability with the ball mate, their is much potential their, more than Freddie had at this stage of his career and look at him now, just give the bloke a chance TEC...tooextracool said:
FaaipDeOiad
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It's generally harder for bits and pieces players to have success in Australian FC cricket than English, mainly because of the conditions. Paul Collingwood is a perfect example of a player who is quite a good bowler when he has the right wicket (see Headingley in the NWC), but give him a flat Adelaide deck and he'll stuggle to average under 50. This is why medium pace all-rounders are so prevalent in the county championship but extremely rare in Australian FC cricket.marc71178 said:
I'm not suggesting taking a 10-fer alone makes him a great bowler, but it's a fair bit harder to fluke one in Australian cricket.
FaaipDeOiad
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Well, bowlers who dart it around in English conditions but don't have the pace, bounce or accuracy to be particularly successful at international level are quite common yes, and generally bowling averages are lower in the CC than in Australia.marc71178 said:
There's other genuine mediums who have good records in England too, like Mark Davies, and isn't Glen Chapple a medium pacer too? Also, looking at the top FC averages in England this season, you've got guys like Jon Lewis, Kabir Ali, Ryan Sidebottom etc who are slower than any successful international bowler.
Ian Harvey is a perfect example... a guy who is at best a stock bowler for Victoria and averages in the 30s for them, took 167 wickets @ 20 for Gloucetershire. The next best medium pacer I think think of offhand in Australian dometic cricket is James Hopes, whos FC bowling average is 46, although he managed 18 wickets @ 26 last season.