SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
Just putting it out there,
Glenn Phillips' bowling strike-rate (22.00) > Jadeja (41.12) and Kuldeep's (34.80)
Glenn Phillips' bowling strike-rate (22.00) > Jadeja (41.12) and Kuldeep's (34.80)
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***Official***Match #32 - New Zealand vs South Africa - November 1st - Pune (D/N)
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Moss
International Captain
Don’t want to read too much into two very well contested defeats, but I think they masked a few issues NZ have (especially in terms of bowling penetration). On the batting front KW hasn’t been missed much but that’s largely down to Mitchell and Ravindra playing out of their skins. The others need to step up. But i think Williamson is particularly missed on the leadership front, Latham’s okay but runs out of ideas at times.
To give credit where it’s due Afghanistan showed in their last two games they’re a serious team in these conditions, so Latham’s efforts with the bat and in leading the side in that game in Chennai were crucial.
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Zinzan
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More notably in the last 12 months Southee's ER is 6.45 and has him on the list of those Kiwi bowlers >6s and notably a worse ER than Ravindra.
LH Ferguson 2022-2023 26 25 206.0 5 1245 28 3/19 44.46 6.04 44.1 0 0 TG Southee 2022-2023 14 14 113.4 6 634 24 4/22 26.41 5.57 28.4 1 0
I'm not a huge fan of Southee in ODIs as he got a free pass for far too long but the last 2 years when we've had injuries to our first choice bowlers, he stood up pretty well IMO. If anything he'd be better than Ferguson in current conditions because Ferguson can be extremely hittable and the faster you bowl the faster you go to the fence. Southee's variations and prolonged experience of Indian conditions should count for something.
However, I do agree Milne would be a better option as he was hitting his straps leading up to the tournament. I just don't think Southee is as bad now as he has been and I don't think he's a waste of space in the squad.
Also I know those stats seem misleading, and for those who are interested in opposition in that time:
Southee
v Australia 2 2 20.0 1 96 2 1/39 48.00 4.80 60.0 0 0 v England 3 3 21.0 0 165 4 2/65 41.25 7.85 31.5 0 0 v India 3 3 21.3 1 121 5 3/73 24.20 5.62 25.8 0 0 v Pakistan 3 3 24.1 1 144 6 3/56 24.00 5.95 24.1 0 0 v West Indies 3 3 27.0 3 108 7 4/22 15.42 4.00 23.1 1 0
home 3 3 21.3 1 121 5 3/73 24.20 5.62 25.8 0 0 away 11 11 92.1 5 513 19 4/22 27.00 5.56 29.1 1 0
Ferguson:
v Afghanistan 1 1 7.0 1 19 3 3/19 6.33 2.71 14.0 0 0 v Australia 3 3 22.0 0 154 3 2/60 51.33 7.00 44.0 0 0 v Bangladesh 4 3 22.1 1 103 5 3/49 20.60 4.64 26.6 0 0 v England 2 2 18.0 0 130 2 1/50 65.00 7.22 54.0 0 0 v India 7 7 55.5 2 346 7 3/59 49.42 6.19 47.8 0 0 v Ireland 2 2 20.0 1 104 2 2/44 52.00 5.20 60.0 0 0 v Netherlands 1 1 8.0 0 32 0 - - 4.00 - 0 0 v Pakistan 3 3 25.0 0 145 3 2/63 48.33 5.80 50.0 0 0 v Scotland 1 1 10.0 0 77 2 2/77 38.50 7.70 30.0 0 0 v West Indies 2 2 18.0 0 135 1 1/80 135.00 7.50 108.0 0 0
home 3 3 22.5 1 132 4 3/59 33.00 5.78 34.2 0 0 away 19 18 155.1 3 975 18 2/44 54.16 6.28 51.7 0 0 neutral 4 4 28.0 1 138 6 3/19 23.00 4.92 28.0 0 0
Further to that and more importantly for me, Ferguson, who admittedly has been very wayward himself in the last couple of years (with glimpses of better form this WC) has a much higher ceiling than Southee, and bowls first change, a position I believe Southee would get murdered by the better teams. Southee's an opener, but he's not going oust Boult or Henry from that role.
I just wish Milne was the back-up over Timmy M. (Mediocre).
Moss
International Captain
Southee interestingly has been pretty good in T20s over the last couple of years but I guess his particular set of variations get easier to deal with over 10 overs. Agree with NZT though that he’s useful enough to have as reserve but can’t see him being more effective than Ferguson (in that particular role).
Also for such an experienced player he tends to go missing in bigger games IMO. Tailed off at the business end of the 2015 WC, and his bowling in the 2021 final and 2022 semifinal (T20 World Cup) was disappointing.
Also for such an experienced player he tends to go missing in bigger games IMO. Tailed off at the business end of the 2015 WC, and his bowling in the 2021 final and 2022 semifinal (T20 World Cup) was disappointing.
Zinzan
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Rough mate, just when I'd managed to not read about or think rugby for 4 days as well.South Africa by 1 run or 1 wicket
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Molehill
Cricketer Of The Year
Seems an odd decision, literally playing to SA's strength letting them bat first. Sounds like anything over 280 could be a tough chase.
thierry henry
International Coach
I know it’s not just his decision but this doesn’t help to improve the impression that Latham is either a very simplistic and narrow-minded tactician or maybe just kind of dopey
King Kane
International Regular
Yeah not sure bowling first is the right move when SA usually bat better batting first but apparently chasing on this ground is usually more successful.
We chased pretty well against Australia but we also conceded more runs than we scored and we were lucky not to concede over 400.
Southee in a bit of a concern too, he is a quality red ball bowler but he can be expensive with the white ball.
We chased pretty well against Australia but we also conceded more runs than we scored and we were lucky not to concede over 400.
Southee in a bit of a concern too, he is a quality red ball bowler but he can be expensive with the white ball.
Fuller Pilch
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Nah, Boult is good against lefthanders and has a good record against QDK.
Perhaps give one of Boult and Henry a shorter new ball spell than usual though to give Southee an early crack.
Fuller Pilch
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We need to beam someone early and say "that's for Sam Cane".