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***Official** Malaysia Tri-Series

adharcric

International Coach
pug said:
I'd rather it be Kaif/Mongia. Raina has shown greater promise in his short career than either of the other two. And from what I've seen of him, I don't really like Mongia much but if he performs well as an all-rounder, as he's being hyped, it would be great for the team.

I also sense a certain deficiency in the pace bowling department. Patel-Agarkar-Pathan is a very scary combo considering that AA and Pathan are very moody bowlers and can bowl either really well or really crap. Harbhajan and Powar lend solid spin options to Dravid, but is it being overdone? I mean, Mongia, Sehwag and Tendulkar can all bowl a bit too. Bolstering the pace department might be a good idea, but then again quantity can hardly make up for quality when bowlers are concerned. Perhaps with Yuvraj's return Powar can be dropped for a match to see how it goes.
I'd rather have Raina than Kaif as well, but let's be realistic. Kaif is a senior (relatively speaking) player and he will likely get the nod right now. As for our part-time spinners, they are pretty good with or without Mongia in the team. It's tough to drop Harbhajan or Powar though, and it'll be even tougher if our pace attack fares poorly in the near future.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I don't see the big deal. Umpires aren't demi-gods out in the middle. I have no problem with showing dissatisfaction with an umpire, if you don't think a decision was right (goes with batsman as well as fielders).
 

Johnners

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Agreed SS, whilst Ponting went a little over the top by carrying on with it(espcially considering he had already been in trouble this year), players should be able to show at least a little dissatisfaction!!! Seems as if you so much as glare at an umpires decision these days you get fined for dissent!!
 
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Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
silentstriker said:
I don't see the big deal. Umpires aren't demi-gods out in the middle. I have no problem with showing dissatisfaction with an umpire, if you don't think a decision was right (goes with batsman as well as fielders).
There is absolutely no problem with a captain discussing something with an umpire, but the way Ponting goes about it is a disgrace. He needs to rethink how he approaches umpires, it's almost in an aggressive fashion, which is too much.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
silentstriker said:
I don't see the big deal. Umpires aren't demi-gods out in the middle. I have no problem with showing dissatisfaction with an umpire, if you don't think a decision was right (goes with batsman as well as fielders).
Dont let the anti-umpire thing in you get better of you. Ponting does it all the time. He doesn't deserve to be the captain of this great team. He might be a good player but IMO its a disgrace to see this guy in the same group of Alan Border, Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Sanz said:
Dont let the anti-umpire thing in you get better of you. Ponting does it all the time. He doesn't deserve to be the captain of this great team. He might be a good player but IMO its a disgrace to see this guy in the same group of Alan Border, Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh.

Its not anti-umpire...I just don't see the big deal? I mean he disagreed with a decision and said so....whats the issue? Accepting a decision does not mean you have to like it.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
silentstriker said:
Its not anti-umpire...I just don't see the big deal? I mean he disagreed with a decision and said so....whats the issue? Accepting a decision does not mean you have to like it.
Are you the same guy who cried about Lara's behaviour for months ?
 

archie mac

International Coach
silentstriker said:
Its not anti-umpire...I just don't see the big deal? I mean he disagreed with a decision and said so....whats the issue? Accepting a decision does not mean you have to like it.
Telling an umpire he should not be out there because he missed one wide in 100 overs is not disagreeing it is abuse.

I think if Ponting would have said 'didn't you hear that noise'? and the umpire said 'no, I heard nothing'. and Ponting had said 'well you were the only one mate'

That would have been more then acceptable. I think if it happens again then they should suspend Ponting from the opening game of the ICC CT.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Maybe they should just suspend him for the Ashes and make a competition out of it..

(runs away)
 

adharcric

International Coach
silentstriker said:
Its not anti-umpire...I just don't see the big deal? I mean he disagreed with a decision and said so....whats the issue? Accepting a decision does not mean you have to like it.
While you should be able to show your view on a decision (otherwise you'd kill some of the passion in the game), you have to respect the umpire and his decision because he's supposed to be the one out there giving a neutral verdict on the match. Asking questions isn't a problem, but downright arguing in an aggressive tone like Ponting does is a problem.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Pratyush said:
Maybe they should just suspend him for the Ashes and make a competition out of it..

(runs away)
Yes, without his captaincy, Australia may have a chance:D
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Sanz said:
Are you the same guy who cried about Lara's behaviour for months ?
For a couple days - and not because he dissented. I cried because after he dissented he was crying to Dhoni and the umpires for like 5 mins and held the game up.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Sanz said:
Ponting does it all the time. He doesn't deserve to be the captain of this great team. He might be a good player but IMO its a disgrace to see this guy in the same group of Alan Border, Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh.
No he doesn't its just twice this year he has gone over-board, but that doesn't make him a disgrace at all, more often than not in his 2 years plus as skipper he has handled himself very well on the field. I'd say most captains given the situation of the game would have questioned the umpire's decision because it was pretty obvious that it had hit something while going down the leg-side.
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
aussie said:
No he doesn't its just twice this year he has gone over-board, but that doesn't make him a disgrace at all, more often than not in his 2 years plus as skipper he has handled himself very well on the field. I'd say most captains given the situation of the game would have questioned the umpire's decision because it was pretty obvious that it had hit something while going down the leg-side.
It's been more than twice. Let's not forget his spray of Fletcher when run out during the Ashes. He needs to learn from his mistakes, which he isn't doing. It is ridiculous that we harp on about the spirit of cricket while our national captain is out there crossing the line against umpires. Ponting needs to learn that he can't change an umpires decision. Just move on. Sure show your disapointed with a look to the sky or a roll of the eyes, maybe question the umpire, but don't abuse him and tell him he's not up to standard. He needs to lead by example, something he does very well with the bat and his fielding, but in all other areas he is bordering on disgraceful.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
aussie said:
No he doesn't its just twice this year he has gone over-board, but that doesn't make him a disgrace at all, more often than not in his 2 years plus as skipper he has handled himself very well on the field.
I won't go into how many times he has gone over board. As a captain, he should behave more maturely and it is inexcusable he hasn't.

I'd say most captains given the situation of the game would have questioned the umpire's decision because it was pretty obvious that it had hit something while going down the leg-side.
This point of yours has been refuted by many and yet you bring it up again.
 

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