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**Official** India v Pakistan

deeps

International 12th Man
in his last 20 odi's is it?

damn, i didn't realise he'd made 500! he must've lasted till about the 40th over for that!

yeh pathan is probably not made to look above human but it's still addin to his ego.

Of course he's not coming across as that in interviews, it's not hard to cover that up..

do me a favour, and go watch video's of him bowling when he first came into the indian side, and now.. watch the body language, the emotion etc.

he doesnt seem to care anymore
 

shankar

International Debutant
deeps said:
yeh pathan is probably not made to look above human but it's still addin to his ego.
How do you come to this conclusion arbitrarily? There's one ad where he struggles and finally gets selected to domestic team. There's one where he's mentored by kumble and one which is completely unrelated to cricket. I dont understand how anyone could get a 'big head' after doing these type of ads.

Of course he's not coming across as that in interviews, it's not hard to cover that up.do me a favour, and go watch video's of him bowling when he first came into the indian side, and now.. watch the body language, the emotion etc. he doesnt seem to care anymore
I have never gotten the impression that he's arrogant watching him on the field or off it. I've also found him to be a die-hard trier with an excellant attitude. I think you probably got this idea on being irritated by the claims of his 'fans'.
 
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PAKMAN

State 12th Man
honestbharani said:
No, but that was when he was in the middle order and he was more of a bowler/allrounder there. He basically had a licence to do whatever he wanted as a batter. It would have been different had he been opening.
did he change his batting style batting in the middle order a 26 ball 56 against lee,mcgrath and company suggests NO ,and when does he not have a licence to do what ever he wants he just playz his game no matter what position what situation wich some times costs him dearly and some times brings unwxplainable joy :D
 

biased indian

International Coach
This thread now is the one with most number of replies in Cricket chat ever.we have been breaking this record with each of the new series and hope this will be the first one to 5000
 

biased indian

International Coach
Nnanden said:
As long as it is all quality... :D

How do you find out these things? :wacko:
ther is an option at the end of the page to sort it in various type change it to from beginning default is a month and sort based on number of replies :)
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
deeps said:
i'm not supporting any pace attack. All i said, was that there is no point in selecting a bowler, based soley on his pace.
I'm not saying you are supporting some slow pace attack, but that's a very common excuse made by sympathetic fans for teams that lack pace bowlers. However, if you look at any world-class pace attack, there is at least one bowler who can bowl consistently at break-neck speeds.
Rana has shown, it doesn't take pace, to get wickets. Mcgrath has shown over the years... Pollock. etc etc.
Rana has had the best of helpful conditions and out-of-form batting sides. When the pitch is flat and Sehwag is in form, he can take this medium-pace stuff apart. Even at his best, he has a pace bowler at the other end or before him. McGrath has Lee partnering him in ODI's, and Gillespie is not too slow either. Pollock had Donald, Ntini and now Nel bowling with him. Thus, having one fast bowler in the pace attack can indirectly reduce the burden on those who stick to seam/swing bowling.
Zaheer is bowlin with more heart nowadays, and is bowlin extremely well, but hasn't got much to show for it.
Fully agree. He has bowled the way a strike bowler should, but has lacked support. He had a good comeback to ODI's in Kochi, after being dropped from Tests. He is the best and most seasoned pacer in this side and should be backed the most.
Nehra is also much improved, and he is taking his cricket ALOT more seriously now. You can tell, the way he gets annoyed when someone misfields, the way he conducts himself when he's fielding etc. He's a much changed player.
Got it right there. He's running in hard, he's using a lot of variations in his bowling, the short ball is used to good effect and most importantly, it's wicket-to-wicket. Stands out in this mess, and if he keeps up such a performance consistently, and not just against Pakistan, he can be a good long-term choice as a strike bowler.
Balaji is a very good bowler, who has struggled since coming back from injury. However it's been afridi that has mucked up his figures. He needs to learn where to bowl, to afridi (dont ask me where that is, coz i have nfi)
Balaji lacks pace. Afridi is a berserk hitter. Put the two together and Afridi can read the swing and adjust his position, his stance and his shot, then swing the bat hard- and watch the ball go to the stands. He's likely to go for a lot of runs in ODI's because he relies on swing and may struggle on conditions where there is no swing available.
Finally pathan, who needs to have a stint back in domestic cricket....
He was just an understudy, but did well in the opportunities that he got. However, he was, and still is, just a rookie. That's no choice for a strike bowler's role. The selectors made that mistake and it's now cost them dearly.

Pathan can swing the ball more than some other bowlers in this side, but he hasn't put it to good effect- he hasn't taken a five-wicket haul in Tests or ODI's against a serious opposition. The late swing he used to get isn't so effective, particularly when he's not bowling fast, and even less so when he's not bowling on the spot. He is out of form, he may not be fully fit and he should return to Baroda, complete two full seasons with Baroda and West and then return. He didn't have inspiring FC stats as a bowler or a batsman- but was picked on the basis of a 9/16 feat against Bangladesh U-19's, playing for an India U-19 side.

He should start taking more wickets for Baroda and take a cue from his brother- and score more runs- particularly in singles. If he starts scoring runs, that will keep other contenders such as RP Singh, Gagandeep and Amit Bhandari out of the way. Until then, the national call-up will have to wait. He's more useful as a swing bowler who can score runs rather than just as a swing bowler. He has age on his side.

The selectors have to look beyond the same five pace options. There are some bowlers who have been in fine wicket-taking form throughout the season- NP Singh, Gagandeep and RPS being the most successful. Delhi's Amit Bhandari is not only a consistent wicket-taker in India, but has also done well abroad. Mumbai's A'vishkar Salvi burst on the scene in 2002 and was running hot in the West Indies, but injuries took their toll and he's just a shadow of that bowler who took 10 wickets against a full-strength Jamaica side. Young quickies Abid Nabi and Vikram Singh can bowl fast, but need to play more matches and take more wickets. There's a brawny swing/seam bowler from Railways known as JP Yadav, who's also an attacking batsman, and has dominated the season- he needs a national call-up sooner than later. Performance for the A-team is also crucial. The forthcoming ODI series against SL should see some of them in action.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Is there really any research and development going on in the Indian camp? They have to look at their own strengths and weaknesses, as well as potential opportunities and threats in the opposition. That's how Woolmer goes about his job as Pakistan coach, or Dean Jones, as an analyst for a television channel. They try new things, they read into the opposition performance and make plans accordingly- which we don't find happening with the Indian team. John Wright may be doing it, but it's just stopping at research and press conferences- not on the field. He said the Indian team took too few singles after a drawn series against England, but they still don't make it a habit to run those singles. Maybe their most important player takes this aspect least seriously.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
biased indian said:
ther is an option at the end of the page to sort it in various type change it to from beginning default is a month and sort based on number of replies :)
Thanks mate. :)
 

Rosh

School Boy/Girl Captain
What's the bet for tomorrow's match?
My sixth sense tells me Pakistan will win the 6th ODI. Anyway they are up for the revenge of the defeat at home. Psychologically and physically India looks drained out.
Whatever happens let's not hope for a one sided match.
For the last time in the series I would love to see another century from Sehwag.
 

deeps

International 12th Man
James said:
...and you'll find yourself permanently banned if you keep this up.

Your final warning Bouncer.

WTF??? lighten up, he posted his email address......... what's wrong with that? Some of you guys really need to lighten up ffs
 

Bouncer

State Regular
James said:
...and you'll find yourself permanently banned if you keep this up.

Your final warning Bouncer.
U know what i Can not understand what is your problem...I gave that guy my email address u tht he can contact me for what he wnats....WHERE THE HECK IT SAYS THAT U CAN NOT GIVE ANYONE UR EMAIL ADDRESS...?


"MY Final Warining" DUDE "K-M-A" I dont even know why i have a yellow card in first place...i have posted this qs...which obviously u saw but didnt get ur Mod @$$ to answer that....but u do give me another warining for giving my email address.
 
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Gotchya

State Vice-Captain
Go Pakistan Hope we can win it, would be a great achievement for this team.

India will either have to bowl out Pakistan for a lowish total, or Bat like mad
 

Unattainableguy

State 12th Man
Bouncer said:
U know what i Can not understand what is your problem...I gave that guy my email address u tht he can contact me for what he wnats....WHERE THE HECK IT SAYS THAT U CAN NOT GIVE ANYONE UR EMAIL ADDRESS...?
Bouncer, write your e-mail address as part of your signature. :p
 

Blaze

Banned
Bouncer said:
U know what i Can not understand what is your problem...I gave that guy my email address u tht he can contact me for what he wnats....WHERE THE HECK IT SAYS THAT U CAN NOT GIVE ANYONE UR EMAIL ADDRESS...?


"MY Final Warining" DUDE "K-M-A" I dont even know why i have a yellow card in first place...i have posted this qs...which obviously u saw but didnt get ur Mod @$$ to answer that....but u do give me another warining for giving my email address.
U just don't get it do you
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Bouncer said:
Excuse me??


Do you even know whats going on here?
Bounce, just email James and ask him, very nicely, off-list, what it is that you are doing against CW rules. I'm sure that he will be only too glad to explain and that it can be sorted out amicably.
 

Bouncer

State Regular
^^ eddie I wouldnt mind getting in touch with on this. But the thing is that he must have seen my posts in which i asked why i have yellow card, not inappropriately i would think.....But the guy doesnt care to answer (which i think if i am a MOD i would reply to )....OK, Then i just give my email address to one person, he gets flammed and Tells me that Its my FINAL warning..

Now u put urself in same situation and tell me how u'd feel?
 

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