**Official** India v Pakistan

[SJS]

Worst Bowling analysis of Kumble's career !!

He has gone for more runs in an innings five times before but nvere wicketless.
3-169
1-223
3-181
6-176
4-160

 

[Sehwag309]

Worst Bowling analysis of Kumble's career !!

He has gone for more runs in an innings five times before but nvere wicketless.
3-169
1-223
3-181
6-176
4-160

Was harbhjan playing in any of those games?

 

[Sehwag309]

Billy Bowden = Dev Anand

 

[SJS]

Was harbhjan playing in any of those games?

Year......Ground.......Opponents.........Kumble.........Harbhajan
1997..........Colombo.....Sri Lank...............1-223..............NO
2002-3........Calcutta......Windies..............3-169...........5-115
2003-4........Mohali.........NZL....................3-181...........2-149
2003-4........Melbourne....Aust..................6-176..............NO
2005...........Mohali.........Pak....................4-160.............NO

2005...........Bangalore....Pak.....................0-159...........6-152

 

[Sehwag309]

Year......Ground.......Opponents.........Kumble.........Harbhajan
1997..........Colombo.....Sri Lank...............1-223..............NO
2002-3........Calcutta......Windies..............3-169...........5-115
2003-4........Mohali.........NZL....................3-181...........2-149
2003-4........Melbourne....Aust..................6-176..............NO
2005...........Mohali.........Pak....................4-160.............NO

2005...........Bangalore....Pak.....................0-159...........6-152

thanx Swa'jeet

So Calcitta is probably a solo place for either of them

 

[SJS]

thanx Swa'jeet

So Calcitta is probably a solo place for either of them

Another interesting stat is that Kumble's five wicket hauls are becoming costlier over time. If you take all his five-for's and put them in chronological order and take out the cumulative bowling average from the first five-for to the latest in Calcutta, there is a clear upward movement with more runs being given away per wicket even when he gets five or more wickets.

 

[twctopcat]

55 off 10 overs for India, good old Sehwag doing what he does best.

 

[biased indian]

2.5 days, and 445-5, fantastic score, but not so good to go berserk and waste wickets

Good play by Palak, me thinks!

its only into second day

 

[biased indian]

Poor Kumble... This is one record he definately wouldn't want linked to his name.

what record???

 

[mofo123]

570...y does it feel like india r still in control...maybe coz they r...has any one else oticed razzaq and sami cant manage to get a straight seam, poistion and on the blue moon chance they do ....voila is swings!!!! sami needs to york sehwag his high bat lift is gonna make it difficult to get down o a 145kph yorker...everything else is just a four! arshad looked interesting...but aamir sohail saying he prefered him over saqlain i felt like slapping him...never liked him anyway too arrogant...

 

[Beleg]

the worst bowling performance of an Indian bowler against Pakistan. Somebody was mentioning it on the radio, I think.

 

[SJS]

570...y does it feel like india r still in control...maybe coz they r...has any one else oticed razzaq and sami cant manage to get a straight seam, poistion and on the blue moon chance they do ....voila is swings!!!! sami needs to york sehwag his high bat lift is gonna make it difficult to get down o a 145kph yorker...everything else is just a four! arshad looked interesting...but aamir sohail saying he prefered him over saqlain i felt like slapping him...never liked him anyway too arrogant...

It was a tricky ten overs to go through (though I feel Inzy delayed the declaration and Younis delayed the attack) and a wicket or two would have made a big difference. Sehwag looks ominous but it can change. If Pakistan dont get him early they can say goodbye to winning the test. If Sehwag stays till lunch India will be approaching 175-200. Then with the depth of the middle order, Pakistan will appear to hyave lost the initiative.

But three days is a lot of time and anything can happen. India have a long way to go yet before securing this game.

It'll be fun tomorrow.

 

[mofo123]

It was a tricky ten overs to go through (though I feel Inzy delayed the declaration and Younis delayed the attack) and a wicket or two would have made a big difference. Sehwag looks ominous but it can change. If Pakistan dont get him early they can say goodbye to winning the test. If Sehwag stays till lunch India will be approaching 175-200. Then with the depth of the middle order, Pakistan will appear to hyave lost the initiative.

But three days is a lot of time and anything can happen. India have a long way to go yet before securing this game.

It'll be fun tomorrow.

imensly for sehwag...lol but i think kaneria might cause him a problem he dismissed him for 6 over long on in the over he bowled...but i felt sehwag was a little edgey against him other then that one shot. draw is my prediction...although if india r 3 down by lunch then i think pakistan have a chance

 

[SJS]

Yesterday I watched with interest as five short of length deliveries at the beginning of the match were dealt with differently by Pakistani batsmen with startlingly different results.

First, Balaji bowled on slightly short of a length to Afridi on the off stump. Afridi first moved his left foot forward, then realising it was slightly short stayed where he was instead of moving back and across, folowed the ball as it left him and edged to the slips.

Two balls later, Balaji bowled an identical ball to Younis, who went back and across and played it comfortably back down the line.

Next ball was on the same length again but slightly further outside the off stump, Younis went back again and let it go through to the keeper.

The last ball was again of same length but this time pitched on middle and off and coming in, this time Younis hesitated to go back and instinctively thrust his left foot in line of the ball with the bat hidden behind the pad. The ball hit him on the pad and an appeal from Balaji was turned down

Next over first ball Irfan bowled one wide of the off stump, but still marginally short (the length changes as the ball goes wider) and Yassir Hamid lunged forward instinctively, following the ball as it went further away, edging it for a simple catch.

In came Imran and started going back to anything that he could not drive or play vcery comfortably off the front foot and the bowling started looking ordinary once again.

The point being that Pakistani young openers will continue to struggle against the moving ball until they get into the habit of playing back to slightly short of length deliveries (off the medium paced bowling of the type India posesses). Lunging forward to everything is suicidal but they dont seem to know any other way of playing.

That is why the same bowlers look so different when Yohanna, Younis and Inzemam are batting.

Inzy had come determined not to lunge forward even to kumble as he had been doing in recent innings and kumble looked toothless.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

The point being that Pakistani young openers will continue to struggle against the moving ball until they get into the habit of playing back to slightly short of length deliveries (off the medium paced bowling of the type India posesses). Lunging forward to everything is suicidal but they dont seem to know any other way of playing.

Agreed, and this problem becomes even more noticable when they leave the subcontinent. These batsman might get away with playing forward to everything in junior cricket and even their early international careers on low, slow subcontinental wickets, but when they go to Australia or South Africa or the West Indies they are going to fail endlessly. The Perth test where McGrath took 8 against them was a perfect example of the problems this style of play will get you in.

 

[Duncan]

It's pretty safe this is going to be a draw. I don't see 30 more wickets falling on this pitch! India wins the series 1-0, but Pakistan can hold their head up high as everyone was predicting 3-0 and 2-0. The ODIs will be very exciting.

 

[SJS]

Agreed, and this problem becomes even more noticable when they leave the subcontinent. These batsman might get away with playing forward to everything in junior cricket and even their early international careers on low, slow subcontinental wickets, but when they go to Australia or South Africa or the West Indies they are going to fail endlessly. The Perth test where McGrath took 8 against them was a perfect example of the problems this style of play will get you in.

You are right. I have always wondered why that is so. The Indian batsmen are invariably fairly good of the backfoot. Why is it different in Pakistan.

I think the wickets must be really very good for batting and these fellows must be merrily driving on the up to almost anything but rank longhops or very short balls. If the balls are short enough to pull or cut away, they are okay but I dont see them going back in defense which is the key to playing really high class bowling.

 

[biased indian]

imensly for sehwag...lol but i think kaneria might cause him a problem he dismissed him for 6 over long on in the over he bowled...but i felt sehwag was a little edgey against him other then that one shot. draw is my prediction...although if india r 3 down by lunch then i think pakistan have a chance

i they are made to follow on i think pakistan ahavea good chance other wise it could a draw
and one other scenario also

end of day 3
india 400/3
end of day 4
india 700/8 dec (sehwag 280,tendulkar 175)
pakistan will have to bat on the last day

 

[biased indian]

It's pretty safe this is going to be a draw. I don't see 30 more wickets falling on this pitch! India wins the series 1-0, but Pakistan can hold their head up high as everyone was predicting 3-0 and 2-0. The ODIs will be very exciting.

pakistan have to take only 20 wickets to win not 30

and in my above scenario u only have to take 18 wickets

 

[SJS]

It's pretty safe this is going to be a draw. I don't see 30 more wickets falling on this pitch! India wins the series 1-0, but Pakistan can hold their head up high as everyone was predicting 3-0 and 2-0. The ODIs will be very exciting.

It should, in all probability be a draw but its a bit early to be 100% sure. Three days are nine sesssions of cricket, a lot can happen.

Frankly, I dont see Pakistani medium and faster bowlers doing damage. If, somehow the spinners get some break through we could have some excitement.

I did not see the game today. Tomorrow being Saturday would like to see the Pakistani off spinner. Everyone says he is pretty good.