*Official* India Tour of England 2018

[Mr Miyagi]

Isn't it the same game where a 38 year old Nehra outbowled him, like massively? So there's two high pressure games where he flopped, gave away 25 in 2 against WI at the death & the other one last year at CT final.

Yeah - but it was 2.5 years ago when as you said "You do remember that it's his debut series 2.5yrs back when he was an unknown entity?"

Bumrah has gotten better.

Wow - fun fact - the top 9 ranked T20i bowlers are all spinners.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/player-rankings/t20i/bowling

 

[R!TTER]

Yeah - but it was 2.5 years ago when as you said "You do remember that it's his debut series 2.5yrs back when he was an unknown entity?"

Bumrah has gotten better.

Wow - fun fact - the top 9 ranked T20i bowlers are all spinners.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/player-rankings/t20i/bowling

Did he debut at the WT20, if not then your point (wrt WT20 champs) is invalid.

He has but his yorkers are rarer & his action has been deciphered, like Malinga. Now he has to do the hard yards. We'll see what he does in the next year, for India's sake I hope he doesn't flop a 3rd time in a high a pressure game.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Did he debut at the WT20, if not then your point is invalid.

He has but his yorkers are rarer & his action has been deciphered, like Malinga. Now he has to do the hard yards. We'll see what he does in the next year, for India's sake I hope he doesn't flop a 3rd time in a high a pressure game.

It isn't my point. It is your words.

You seem maybe to be a Bumrah basher, I quite rate Bumrah myself. I wish NZ had a player like him.

And while Pant or Karthik easily, Samson or even Rahul at a pinch can replace MSD - there are no replacements for Bumrah that are as good in India that I know of.

I would really stop blaming Bumrah for India losing. He is a fine player and part of your best t20i team on merit. There is noone available currently to drop him with who makes the team stronger.

 

[R!TTER]

It isn't my point. It is your words.

You seem maybe to be a Bumrah basher, I quite rate Bumrah myself. I wish NZ had a player like him.

And while Pant or Karthik easily, Samson or even Rahul at a pinch can replace MSD - there are no replacements for Bumrah that are as good in India that I know of.

Are you confusing that point you made wrt WT20 SF match? I simply referred to that whilst talking about Nehra outperforming him, it wasn't even ambiguous.

I would really stop blaming Bumrah for India losing. He is a fine player and part of your best t20i team on merit. There is noone available currently to drop him with who makes the team stronger.

There's two (arguably) better & certainly more experienced bowlers warming the bench, they were our best players in the 2015 CWC.

And I do wish you'd stop mixing matching the formats, I don't care much about the T20I but Bumrah shouldn't be an automatic pick above Yadav & Shami in tests or ODI - that's my point.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Are you confusing that point you made wrt WT20 SF match? I simply referred to that whilst talking about Nehra outperforming him, it wasn't even ambiguous.

And?

I am quite aware that Bumrah played in Australia before the WT20. I am also aware that the WT20 was over 2 years ago. Both series were part of the 2015/16 season.

If you're looking to fight over splitting hairs, I have more important drinking to do. And I don't want my vibe messed up.

Have a good night

 

[Mr Miyagi]

What part of frecency do you guys not get?

I fully understand what frecency is.

Are you confusing that point you made wrt WT20 SF match? I simply referred to that whilst talking about Nehra outperforming him, it wasn't even ambiguous.

Isn't it the same game where a 38 year old Nehra outbowled him, like massively? So there's two high pressure games where he flopped, gave away 25 in 2 against WI at the death & the other one last year at CT final. I fully understand what frecency is. Also yorkers matter, but they matter so much more in high pressure games like a certain WC final 3rd ball IIRC?

Look, you either mean recency (of the latter in a period of time) or frequency (occurrences within a sample). I don't mind which - but whichever you mean - it is not 'frecency'.

 

[Daemon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap1KuREwliI

Slower ball is often used by Bumrah in India on slower pitches, look what he used on Australian roads.

If its slow, he will bowl more change ups, but on roads, he goes to the yorker even more than normal (which is a lot).

For a yorker video there's a surprising amount of non-yorkers in there lol. There's also a wicket of some poor Australian bat that's being replayed multiple times.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

For a yorker video there's a surprising amount of non-yorkers in there lol. There's also a wicket of some poor Australian bat that's being replayed multiple times.

I think it started as a Bumrah wickets video, then the person who put it on youtube added the yorker tag. In a YouTube world, do what you gotta do to get more hits.

I do like how they switched right to left, though. I'll watch more to see what I make of the Gower left-handed-elegance proposition.

Be great if they did Sachin or Punter or someone like that.

 

[R!TTER]

For a yorker video there's a surprising amount of non-yorkers in there lol. There's also a wicket of some poor Australian bat that's being replayed multiple times.

Tbh I didn't even bother watching the mirrored video, since I've seen enough of Bumrah live, but looking at it I'm surprised how miyagi can defend his own argument wrt to these (non) yorkers

A wouldn't mind a few more in the WC next year

 

[Jack1]

Bumrah is a very good t20 bowler. Just look at his stats, they can't be argued with. He has taken 43 t20I wickets at an average of 19.93. He only goes at 6.79 runs per over.

 

[Pratters]

Should I really hold early season England form when it favours bowlers against Pujara when he has had a spectacular career? Play him at least the first two tests. He will come good, any ways, imo.

 

[Pratters]

You have to wonder then - was the injury really that bad or did Bumrah wanted to avoid being carted around in T20's also considering he's not been all that great in LO against good batsmen in the past year or so, including the CT meltdown.

Yeah, being injured obviously isn't that good.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Bumrah out of the T20I series - India's prospects seriously dented.
Who should be his direct replacement?

Stuart Binny

 

[garylyon]

Vijay
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Saha
Pandya
Kuldeep
Bhuvi
Yadav
Ishant

 

[garylyon]

I hope Bumrah's injury is bad enough to keep him out of the tests. Don't want the management experimenting with him in the attack when we already have a couple of really good swing bowlers in Bhuvi and Yadav. SA had more bouncy and pacy tracks which favoured his kind of bowling but he still ended up with the worst average of all the Indian Pacers. Would miss him in the ODIs though.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

I hope Bumrah's injury is bad enough to keep him out of the tests. Don't want the management experimenting with him in the attack when we already have a couple of really good swing bowlers in Bhuvi and Yadav. SA had more bouncy and pacy tracks which favoured his kind of bowling but he still ended up with the worst average of all the Indian Pacers. Would miss him in the ODIs though.

Bumrah in the test team in SA was an odd selection. But he didn't do that badly. All the bowlers had a field day in that series.

But I am not convinced that he is the ideal bowler in England for India. BK is my number 1 - the rest can fight it out.

 

[R!TTER]

I hope Bumrah's injury is bad enough to keep him out of the tests. Don't want the management experimenting with him in the attack when we already have a couple of really good swing bowlers in Bhuvi and Yadav. SA had more bouncy and pacy tracks which favoured his kind of bowling but he still ended up with the worst average of all the Indian Pacers. Would miss him in the ODIs though.

Honestly it was stupid & arrogant of Kohli to not pick Rahane or Yadav in the first test. There's a reason Lee was not picked, over Gillespie or Kasper, in the first 11 for the 2004 Aus tour of India - it's called experience! Leaving Yadav out would've made sense if he was in bad (test) form, but he wasn't & if Pandya was gonna be the fourth seamer then it was imperative we had an experienced outswing bowler like him in SA. Outswing bowlers always pick up more wickets in SA & Eng, even Aus if they're great, just ask Morkel or Broad.

 

[garylyon]

Meanwhile on Indian television...

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Meanwhile on Indian television...

Lol

 

[vcs]

#SchoolTheEnglish is going to become a meme on here when we inevitably get destroyed by Broad haha.