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***Official*** India in West Indies
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Mr Mxyzptlk said:Nice to see you're not a stereotypical Indian fan.
Yeah I just had to do that after that kind of match.Seriously, though, I don't see how anyone can not be annoyed with the way Venu and co. threw away India's chances of posting a good total, which hurt India the most in the end.
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Well, performance counts more than ability or potential when it's all said and done, but being on course for 300 and batting at less than 3 an over in the death overs against Samuels and Gayle (they were decent, nothing spectacular) is just plain pathetic ... that is throwing it away. I won't take anything away from Sarwan - he played one hell of an innings once again and West Indies deserved this win - but I personally think India played much more below their usual standard/potential than WI did and we still ended up with a good contest.Beleg said:
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It's a tad harsh to blame a specialist top order batsman for failing to come out and slog toward the end of an innings though. I think Venugopal Rao was badly mishandled today. If he's going to be in the side, he has to play in the top order...like Samuels for the West Indies.adharcric said:
Seriously, though, I don't see how anyone can not be annoyed with the way Venu and co. threw away India's chances of posting a good total, which hurt India the most in the end.
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It'd be a poor move to change the captaincy before Lara retires or stands down. The WICB have made it clear that they want Lara to be captain ahead of and for the World Cup next year, so to change the captaincy now would throw the team chemistry onto the rocks. Also, Lara is leading the side superbly.Craig said:
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Umm... I don't know if you were paying attention, but India lost 6 wickets in the last 13 overs. It's not exactly an easy thing to score quickly when you're losing wickets. I think if anything you should blame the poor running and inopportune dismissals, rather than saying they were unable to score at any pace.adharcric said:
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This seems to happen quite regularly to India doesn't it, with these sudden collapses in ODIs, this ODI reminds me of many NZ/India matches.
You'd have to say though, that's a long tail India have in their batting lineup. Possibly one of the biggest tail orders of the bigger nations.
WIndies are going to be real dark horses in the World Cup next year aren't they....Must say I'm very surprised Ramdin hasn't come back in though... I thought he did pretty well in New Zealand last summer. Dawyne Smith would be a handy bowler in these conditions too, and he has the ability to hit quick 20's and 30's.
You'd have to say though, that's a long tail India have in their batting lineup. Possibly one of the biggest tail orders of the bigger nations.
WIndies are going to be real dark horses in the World Cup next year aren't they....Must say I'm very surprised Ramdin hasn't come back in though... I thought he did pretty well in New Zealand last summer. Dawyne Smith would be a handy bowler in these conditions too, and he has the ability to hit quick 20's and 30's.
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I don't think the Raina moved failed. Raina played really well until his dismissal. He looked good for big runs until he missed a straight one.Sanz said:
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Ramdin has taken big strides backward since New Zealand (NZ broke our Ramdin!!!) and Carlton Baugh has been really impressive in the ODIs so far. He offers some big hitting down the order and has kept wicket quite well (except for the 2nd ODI, when he missed a couple of chances IIRC).James said:
Dwayne Smith is the 12th man at the moment, because his bowling has been really good recently, but Jerome Taylor has also been bowling quite well in general (though he struggled today). If Smith can improve his batting, he would be a huge asset to WI cricket, as he's a brilliant fielder.
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Yes, Venugopal Rao was sent in late to play a role which doesn't suit him well. The problem is that we have two other guys who do his thing - the steady anchor role - better than him in Dravid and Kaif. Then we also have two other guys who do his thing - the steady anchor role - better than him AND can score quickly in Raina and Yuvraj. In that situation, he becomes rather useless in the side because he can't offer what we really need from him. We don't need him to play that anchor role because you honestly don't need 3 of those in your lineup. It might be unfair on him to expect him to score quickly, but that's what he needed to do for the team today and he failed miserably.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
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That's surprising Liam, because I thought Ramdin was the future of WIndies cricket. Ian Smith rated him quite highly too. I can't really comment on Baugh though, as I've never seen him play.
Seems a good call then, Taylor has a good amount of aggression and fight about him and it's good for WIndies cricket to have an aggressive go hard team. Chanderpaul seems to have come right now too, really shows how much captaincy can affect your batting!
Seems a good call then, Taylor has a good amount of aggression and fight about him and it's good for WIndies cricket to have an aggressive go hard team. Chanderpaul seems to have come right now too, really shows how much captaincy can affect your batting!
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Well Ramdin is 21 years old, but Baugh is only 23. Both are young and talented. Ramdin is a better gloveman, but Baugh appears to be a more potent batsman in ODI cricket at the moment, especially in games that Dwayne Smith doesn't play.James said:
Chanderpaul looks his old self again, and just in time too. He's a huge fan of Indian bowling and will have some Tests to get himself properly back in form hopefully.
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I'm quite aware of the fact that India lost wickets due to poor running and inooportune dismissals. Still, if you watched the way they batted it was obvious that they simply weren't able to find the gaps and rotate the strike, and it wasn't just because they had lost wickets.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
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Same thing happened to the West Indies last Thursday. It only goes to show that there are some major flaws in the Indian team and that there's not much daylight between India and the West Indies in reality.adharcric said:
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There definitely are flaws in this side. I'd like to think that Dhoni and Pathan's struggles are temporary things because of the way they have been scoring at will in the past few months, but only time will tell what the reality is. I always rated West Indies as a very talented side with the ability to be much better than #8 (kind of like India some time ago, where they were trash in ODIs despite having a star lineup) and I've been impressed.Mr Mxyzptlk said: