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***Official*** India in Sri Lanka

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Also, they were perhaps the first team, at least the first ones that I remember, playing a specialist bat at no.7.. It was either Mahanama or Tillekaratne depending on the situation but this gave them the luxury of allowing both openers go for broke at the top.. And the approach worked brilliantly in the flat tracks + small grounds of the subcontinent. The bowlers were simply not used to such an attack up at the top from both men. There was simply no respite and it took them time to get used to it and develop counters for it.
Yeah good point, forgot about that. Kalu was keeping so that freed up Tillkeratne to just bat. I remember Mahanama was an opening bat in the early days so his nick-and-nudge game was perfect for the end of the innings because after such a good start, they didn't need to score much quicker than 5/6 an over.
 

sanga1337

U19 Captain
No, the reason why he's so good at the moment is because of the multitude of variations at his disposal. There's a difference. If he doesn't develop a stock delivery soon, though, he will eventually lose effectiveness at Test level. I hope that he does develop a stock delivery, myself.

He will, if all goes well, always be a very good ODI bowler because of his variation.
Well yeah there are other reasons but I think thats also one of the reasons. But its good that he doesn't have a stock delivery because no-one knows what to expect from him. If he developes a stock ball he will lose that element of mystery which is one of the reasons why he's doing well at the moment. How is he going to lose effectiveness at test level just for not having a stock delivery?
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
I've kept quiet in the outrage that has no doubt been on this and many other forums following India's loss but I remain optimistic of drawing or winning the series. We have now taken a look at Mendis (why there was not much more focus on Mendis prior to the series was baffling, with India seemingly learning as they went on) and realise that the threat of Muralitharan in Sri Lanka is no doubt the greatest. However, the Sri Lankan pace attack is weak, Vaas and Kulesekara are both 120kph trundlers who pose little threat in Tests in Sri Lanka. Prasad being called up to the squad may change that, as he is known to bowl 145kph but sources indicate that he won't play in the second Test but rather that Thushara will play - someone who India should negotiate with ease.

As for the bowling, I am in favour of really looking hard at changing the bowling attack. Zaheer Khan should not play in the second Test, imo, as I question his fitness and ability to play as early as Thursday after his overs in the first Test. I would like Munaf Patel to play with India retaining the two spinners strategy. I would also like Virender Sehwag to be used in greater abundance, to rest the other bowlers and as a potent threat. Sehwag has good control of flight and could become a legitamate attacking option given some good length control and some slow, spongy bounce. I think it is pretty poor that India's pace bowlers have not shown an ability to adapt to conditions very similar to home conditions. Whereas Pakistani fast bowlers are mainly very good at reverse swing, we rarely see it from India's bowlers; on a side note, I am starting to doubt that reverse swing is as complicated as the media have made it seem, from what I gather, it is just a matter of keeping the ball dry and getting the seam angled the opposite way to which you want it to swing. This also requires you to pitch it up, something which we did not see enough of from Zaheer Khan whereas Ishant is a hit the pitch bowler, but even he bowled a tad short. His pace was dropping low to 130kph and it was evident that he was being over bowled. Pace and bounce is the main weapon of the inaccurate quickie and this will be sucked out of him unless Kumble bowls himself and Harbhajan more overs, also giving more overs to Sehwag and possibly Tendulkar, as a wicket taking option. Considering what I have written, five bowlers may seem an option, but I feel that such a player will weaken the batting line up too much, especially with Muralitharan and Mendis possibly working in tandem to dismiss him in no time.

Some may consider dropping Harbhajan but I feel that this would be an unreasonable move after he was top wicket taker against South Africa in India, which are similar conditions to Sri Lanka. However, his recent Test form is unacceptable and he should be on a short leash with Amit Mishra as the possible long term replacement - I guess Ojha should come in if Harbhajan has been similarly ineffective in the second (and third) Test but I don't rate his potential as a wicket taking option in Tests.

Dinesh Karthik must stay in the team. His keeping is what is under question and his keeping is quite simply far better than Parthiv Patel's. Patel probably has the edge as far as lower order batting goes, but this is not the issue at hand; India's batting had a massive blip but they are still a very strong (albeit overhyped) line up to tackle Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka. The mere change which needs to be made is playing VVS Laxman at three and playing Rahul Dravid at number six, he is far better at playing with the tail and, out of form, he is best lower down the order, where falling early will not be as critical as it could be at the top of the order. India's strategy of attack against the new ball bowlers was a good one, as it seizes the initiative early, however, such an attack must be done with caution as losing a wicket or two against the substandard Sri Lankan pace attack is not something we can afford.
 

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I've kept quiet in the outrage that has no doubt been on this and many other forums following India's loss but I remain optimistic of drawing or winning the series. We have now taken a look at Mendis (why there was not much more focus on Mendis prior to the series was baffling, with India seemingly learning as they went on) and realise that the threat of Muralitharan in Sri Lanka is no doubt the greatest. However, the Sri Lankan pace attack is weak, Vaas and Kulesekara are both 120kph trundlers who pose little threat in Tests in Sri Lanka. Prasad being called up to the squad may change that, as he is known to bowl 145kph but sources indicate that he won't play in the second Test but rather that Thushara will play - someone who India should negotiate with ease.

As for the bowling, I am in favour of really looking hard at changing the bowling attack. Zaheer Khan should not play in the second Test, imo, as I question his fitness and ability to play as early as Thursday after his overs in the first Test. I would like Munaf Patel to play with India retaining the two spinners strategy. I would also like Virender Sehwag to be used in greater abundance, to rest the other bowlers and as a potent threat. Sehwag has good control of flight and could become a legitamate attacking option given some good length control and some slow, spongy bounce. I think it is pretty poor that India's pace bowlers have not shown an ability to adapt to conditions very similar to home conditions. Whereas Pakistani fast bowlers are mainly very good at reverse swing, we rarely see it from India's bowlers; on a side note, I am starting to doubt that reverse swing is as complicated as the media have made it seem, from what I gather, it is just a matter of keeping the ball dry and getting the seam angled the opposite way to which you want it to swing. This also requires you to pitch it up, something which we did not see enough of from Zaheer Khan whereas Ishant is a hit the pitch bowler, but even he bowled a tad short. His pace was dropping low to 130kph and it was evident that he was being over bowled. Pace and bounce is the main weapon of the inaccurate quickie and this will be sucked out of him unless Kumble bowls himself and Harbhajan more overs, also giving more overs to Sehwag and possibly Tendulkar, as a wicket taking option. Considering what I have written, five bowlers may seem an option, but I feel that such a player will weaken the batting line up too much, especially with Muralitharan and Mendis possibly working in tandem to dismiss him in no time.

Some may consider dropping Harbhajan but I feel that this would be an unreasonable move after he was top wicket taker against South Africa in India, which are similar conditions to Sri Lanka. However, his recent Test form is unacceptable and he should be on a short leash with Amit Mishra as the possible long term replacement - I guess Ojha should come in if Harbhajan has been similarly ineffective in the second (and third) Test but I don't rate his potential as a wicket taking option in Tests.

Dinesh Karthik must stay in the team. His keeping is what is under question and his keeping is quite simply far better than Parthiv Patel's. Patel probably has the edge as far as lower order batting goes, but this is not the issue at hand; India's batting had a massive blip but they are still a very strong (albeit overhyped) line up to tackle Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka. The mere change which needs to be made is playing VVS Laxman at three and playing Rahul Dravid at number six, he is far better at playing with the tail and, out of form, he is best lower down the order, where falling early will not be as critical as it could be at the top of the order. India's strategy of attack against the new ball bowlers was a good one, as it seizes the initiative early, however, such an attack must be done with caution as losing a wicket or two against the substandard Sri Lankan pace attack is not something we can afford.
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weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Drop Karthik for Parthiv? Drop Bhajji for Ojha? Laxman at 3? Thoughts?
Parthiv in place of Karthik seems OK...Bhajji has been the only Indian bowler who has performed decently in last few tests; he shouldn't be dropped...Personally I'll prefer Sachin at 3; otherwise Laxman is alright...
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
Parthiv in place of Karthik seems OK...Bhajji has been the only Indian bowler who has performed decently in last few tests; he shouldn't be dropped...Personally I'll prefer Sachin at 3; otherwise Laxman is alright...
Why should we bat out of Sachin where he has never batted before rather than number 4 where he has had 195 innings and scored 9849 runs at 56.93.
 

Migara

International Coach
They are gonna drop (rest) Vaas for Galle test. What on earth they are thinking? Last time at Galle he ripped apart a batting line up who have played swing bowling as staple. Vaas should play the second test. Kulasekara should go and Prasad should come in.
 

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They are gonna drop (rest) Vaas for Galle test. What on earth they are thinking? Last time at Galle he ripped apart a batting line up who have played swing bowling as staple. Vaas should play the second test. Kulasekara should go and Prasad should come in.
I think they may be trying to phase him out, as part of the same selection policy that led to Murali being left out of the ODI team for the West Indies. I doubt Vaas will be playing test cricket a lot longer so they want to prepare the team for life without him.

Maybe. It's just a thought.
 

Mahindinho

State Vice-Captain
I think they may be trying to phase him out, as part of the same selection policy that led to Murali being left out of the ODI team for the West Indies. I doubt Vaas will be playing test cricket a lot longer so they want to prepare the team for life without him.

Maybe. It's just a thought.
It needs to be done someday, but why not leave it 'til after Malinga's back to lead the attack?

I know nothing about the new quicks other than what's been posted here, but hope they don't cave under the pressure of the Indian openers tonking it around T20 style.

Going from reports, Vaas has been down at the 75mph mark, which just isn't enough to lead the attack. Fair enough if there's a bit of pace down the other end, but you can't had the new ball to a pair of medium-pacers, no matter how disciplined and swingy one of them is.

He only bowled 10 overs in the 1st Test anyway ;)

Really looking forward to seeing an Indian fight-back at Galle -- although there'll be no complaints from me if Mendis manages a cheap 10fer!
 

DaRick

State Vice-Captain
Well yeah there are other reasons but I think thats also one of the reasons. But its good that he doesn't have a stock delivery because no-one knows what to expect from him.
Not now, they don't. In Test cricket, at least, they eventually will know how to pick him, countering the element of surprise that it so integral to his success in international cricket. In ODI's, that's not as great an issue.

If he developes a stock ball he will lose that element of mystery which is one of the reasons why he's doing well at the moment.
Yes, his approach to Test cricket is fine at the moment, but eventually, he won't have an element of mystery to lose, as batsmen would've figured out how to read his variations. That's why it is crucial for him to develop a stock delivery before that happens.

How is he going to lose effectiveness at test level just for not having a stock delivery?
He won't now; he will later, as I've tried to explain above.
 

Migara

International Coach
I think they may be trying to phase him out, as part of the same selection policy that led to Murali being left out of the ODI team for the West Indies. I doubt Vaas will be playing test cricket a lot longer so they want to prepare the team for life without him.

Maybe. It's just a thought.
Yes, it may be. But can you do it when your 75 mph seamer averages 39.6 with the bat and 29.5 with the ball in last two years? I would say the that is a damn good record in last two years.

Sri Lankan batsmen in tests in last 24 months

Lankan bowlers in last 24 months
 
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weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Why should we bat out of Sachin where he has never batted before rather than number 4 where he has had 195 innings and scored 9849 runs at 56.93.
First of all, because Dravid is out of form...And Sachin is our best batsman at this moment and against a damn strong spin attack, no. 3 is the ideal position to play...Again, personal opinion only...
 
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Jungle Jumbo

International Vice-Captain
If Sri Lanka had a Ganguly who could hold an end with the new ball for five overs or so, they'd just play three frontline bowlers IMO. None of Prasad, Kulasekara, Thushara would really scare you as an Indian batsman. That said, there seems to be a fair bit of eggs-in-one-basket with Murali and Mendis having plenty of pressure heaped onto them.
 

WhatisRight

School Boy/Girl Captain
I think too much has been made out of the combination of mendis and murli. People need to stay calm and just follow them for a few series and then see if they really are that good (consistentcy). I do believe that india will be much stronger and wont give there wickets away the way they did in the last match. So i am 100% sure that it will be alot more hard work for these bowlers.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Many (including myself) thought India would handle Mendis better in test cricket. That didn't happen either.


I am not all that optimistic about our chances.. I fear 2-0 or 3-0 looms pretty large for India.. :(
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
India hasn't won a test series in Sri Lanka for 15 years, I doubt it's going to happen any time soon.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Many (including myself) thought India would handle Mendis better in test cricket. That didn't happen either.


I am not all that optimistic about our chances.. I fear 2-0 or 3-0 looms pretty large for India.. :(
Do you really think the Indian batsmen are as bad as they looked in the first test? Don't know about the outcome but I'm expecting a good showing from the batsmen at Galle. I'm actually just as worried about Kumble and Harbhajan - as dominant as Murali and Mendis were in this test, people forget that the Indian spin duo was supposed to be a huge threat in this series. So far, they've been disappointing and improved fielding will be the first step in the right direction.
 
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