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***Official*** India in South Africa

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
adharcric said:
Personally, the stats don't mean that much to me in this case. We're in deep **** and we need someone with experience, class and motivation.
Ganguly has all three, though Badrinath also deserves a call-up.

As for moving Sehwag down the order in tests, that would be a stupid move - he's our best opener right now. Assuming Yuvraj will miss the test series, here's my squad.

Openers: Sehwag, Jaffer, Gambhir
Middle-Order: Dravid/Badrinath (injury), Tendulkar, Laxman, Kaif, Ganguly
Wicketkeeper: Dhoni, Karthik
Seamers: Zaheer, Munaf, Sreesanth, VRV
Spinners: Kumble, Harbhajan

But Sehwag isn't. He's out of form. Maybe the shuffle is just what he needs. Ganguly has the experience, but I am not convinced he has any class left, and I am completely sure that he doesn't figure in our future in anyway and will not contribute anything positive in the dressing room and in terms of adding cohesiveness to the team.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Langeveldt said:
Heard they are going to blindfold Robbie Peterson and get him bowling backwards in an effort to get the Indian score over 200...
Can they do that to Ntini, Nel and Pollock please? I think we can handle Peterson at his best. :laugh:
 

Dravid

International Captain
shortpitched713 said:
Why don't we take out all of his innings in which he doesn't score a century, and then we could call him better than Bradman. 8-)

The fact of the matter is that on current form he is not the batsman that he used to be, and if that was all we had to go by, he would be a very borderline selection for the Indian Test side. I don't want to see him dropped, but he should take responsibility soon and right his recent record.

I know that's what I said like a while back, his current form, being the 11 innings, has been bad. But you guys say he's been out of form for a while, which is not true, he just not been he's best for a while.
 

Dravid

International Captain
As far as Ganguly goes, it would probably be hte biggest mistake India is making. India is going to have no chemistry, and play even worse than they already are. The fact that he's played international cricket before and has experience is not good enough.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Dravid said:
India is going to have no chemistry
Seriously, get over it. Did India have no chemistry all those years that Ganguly was captain? There was an issue when Chappell came in because he had the guts to speak up against Ganguly, who was lazy and had taken his captaincy for granted amidst a major form slump. Ganguly is a different man now - he's fighting for another chance and he's not stupid enough to start talking crap to disrupt the chemistry when his primary concern is to find a place in the team. He's a charismatic leader on the field and that's what we need right now (leader!=captain in this case). I'm sure Chappell and Ganguly are both professionals who can get over their little tussle (in fact, they probably already have). Finally, chemistry is overrated - you win and the chemistry shoots up, you lose and it dies.
Dravid said:
and play even worse than they already are.
Let's be serious now. That's not possible. For such a talented team, they've hit rock-bottom at the moment.
Dravid said:
The fact that he's played international cricket before and has experience is not good enough.
He's not getting in simply because of that. He's finally made some runs (a century against North Zone) and while he still needs to make more to really earn a call-up on merit, he's not just getting a free ride because of his past. If he fails in the first match, we have other options in Kaif and Badrinath. Again, I'm not saying Ganguly is the best option. He's simply an option worth considering, along with Badrinath.
 
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Dravid

International Captain
adharcric said:
Seriously, get over it. Did India have no chemistry all those years that Ganguly was captain? There was an issue when Chappell came in because he had the guts to speak up against Ganguly, who was lazy and had taken his captaincy for granted amidst a major form slump. Ganguly is a different man now - he's fighting for another chance and he's not stupid enough to start talking crap to disrupt the chemistry when his primary concern is to find a place in the team. He's a charismatic leader on the field and that's what we need right now (leader!=captain in this case). I'm sure Chappell and Ganguly are both professionals who can get over their little tussle (in fact, they probably already have). Finally, chemistry is overrated - you win and the chemistry shoots up, you lose and it dies.

Let's be serious now. That's not possible. For such a talented team, they've hit rock-bottom at the moment.

He's not getting in simply because of that. He's finally made some runs (a century against North Zone) and while he still needs to make more to really earn a call-up on merit, he's not just getting a free ride because of his past. If he fails in the first match, we have other options in Kaif and Badrinath. Again, I'm not saying Ganguly is the best option. He's simply an option worth considering, along with Badrinath.
I'll repeat exactly what you said, India did have chemistry, but when chappell came in problems started between captain and coach. Problems will remain between Ganguly and Chappell if he comes in and they both can keep their mouth shut about it, but then Chappell wouldn't be able to work with Ganguly like he would with other players. Chappell does have a say in who gets into the final XI and not and if the two don't like each other chances of Ganguly getting into the XI are slim.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
If you ask me, the problem is with the selectors refusing to acknowledge domestic cricket. Sure, it doesn't give us finished players but for now, we just have to make do with what we have got and it would make infinitely more sense to pick the guys who are actually performing in the Ranji than to pick guys who are struggling to perform even there. Picking Ganguly would be a bad move on that count alone.
 

adharcric

International Coach
honestbharani said:
If you ask me, the problem is with the selectors refusing to acknowledge domestic cricket. Sure, it doesn't give us finished players but for now, we just have to make do with what we have got and it would make infinitely more sense to pick the guys who are actually performing in the Ranji than to pick guys who are struggling to perform even there. Picking Ganguly would be a bad move on that count alone.
He just made a century though. For a player of his caliber, I would think that only a semblance of form is required, not an entire season of prolific run-scoring.
Bear in mind that injuries have hit us at a bad time; ideally, Gangully would play a few more rounds of the Ranji Trophy before being in contention.
Still, he's shown some form of late and the only other worthy option is Badrinath.

Speaking of domestic cricket, let's take a look at players that should be in contention apart from Ganguly, Gambhir and VRV.

Badrinath (in contention) ... Joginder (has he made enough runs to be a test #7?) ... Gagandeep (deserves a call-up but VRV's bounce will be more crucial in South Africa) ... Powar (not with Kumble and Harbhajan in the side) ... so where are the complaints?
 
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adharcric

International Coach
I hope they play Raina and Mongia today. Jaffer and Karthik (as a specialist batsman) are not realistic options in our one-day team so there's no point even trying them out.
If Laxman isn't available for the match, this would be my XI.

Sehwag, Tendulkar, Raina, Kaif, Mongia, Dhoni, Pathan, Harbhajan, Kumble, Zaheer, Sreesanth

If Laxman returns, he should replace Raina because Raina's had enough chances already.
We're better off using this match to find out where Raina and Mongia stand in the future plans than playing the likes of Jaffer and Karthik.
 

Dravid

International Captain
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Gotta feel for the South African skipper, thats the third time he's been nailed by Zaheer for a duck this series...and this is the third match played!
 

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