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***Official*** India in South Africa
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marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
What, the one where people posted it was out, then needed replays to see it wasn't?R_D said:
IMO if you see something once and make a call based on that and the umpire is wrong then fair enough, but if on your first view you think it was out, then you can't blame the umpire as you've just done the same.
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
You have a point, but in Dravid's second inning decision I knew it was not out. Also, there were a couple more.marc71178 said:
adharcric
International Coach
1. Zaheer-Prince (screwed IND)marc71178 said:
2. Sreesanth-Gibbs (IND)
3. VRV-Boucher (IND)
4. Kumble-Boucher (IND)
5. Sreesanth-Ntini (IND)
6. Nel-Dravid (IND)
7. Ntini-Laxman (SA)
8. Nel-Dhoni (SA)
9. Sreesanth-Amla (SA)
10. Kumble-Pollock (IND)
11. Kumble-Pollock (IND)
12. Ntini-Dravid (IND)
13. Hall-Sreesanth (IND)
Alright, so we only have 13. Surely Rauf checking the light meter while the bowler was running in counts extra. Doing stretches while everyone was waiting?
Then you have the best batsman on either side given out incorrectly twice - that counts extra. Let's just say that takes it up to 20.
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I thought Shree was disgusting personally, but Robin Jackman made a good point. None of the South Africans did or said anything throughout the entire episode, why? Because none of them could honestly say they wouldn't have done exactly the same thing in that position.
Kudos to him for fighting harder than any of the top order guys though.
Ja, sure bad decision and all that, but I'm not fussed, it says b Hall c Boucher in the scorebook and that's all that counts, there won't be an asterisk there saying NB: Bad call, dodgy umpire.
Kudos to him for fighting harder than any of the top order guys though.
Ja, sure bad decision and all that, but I'm not fussed, it says b Hall c Boucher in the scorebook and that's all that counts, there won't be an asterisk there saying NB: Bad call, dodgy umpire.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
Great victory for South Africa, fully deserved they had a plan of attack and India sadly didn't have any reminiscents of a defensive rearguard. As Boucher said yesterday after Dravid there is no one it would appear who has the fight to stick it out. Even when Sachin was in pomp, long 5th day innings to save a game were not widely apparent. Ironically the only guys who did try and bat it out for India were Dhoni and the tail. who showed far more bottle than Wasim Jaffer and Dada, who both really should be looking over their shoulders. Really poor dismissals especially Ganguly where its got beyond the farce. And any gamesmanship that was showed by both Zaheer and Sree was fully expected and you can understand why the two were doing it, possibly even through frustration at their top order considering they showed that once you see of the new ball and the sun is shining this pitch is fine.
Though again credit to South Africa especially Makhaya Ntini his been fantastic the past twelve months, really has spearheaded the attack brilliantly. And the victory more importantly sets up Cape Town beautifully, expect Patel to come in for India which would be a fantastic addition and makes their pace attack look even more potent. Gautam is probably dead cert to get a game also, don't think Sehwag will get dropped, Jaffer will probably be the most likely at least Sehwag got a decent ball.
Don't know what South Africa are going to do, Paul Harris has been earmarked for Cape Town since selection but in a winner takes all encounter be a big ask for him, Kallis could be back but supposedly his not going to bowl, so just a straight swap for Amla possibly.
Though again credit to South Africa especially Makhaya Ntini his been fantastic the past twelve months, really has spearheaded the attack brilliantly. And the victory more importantly sets up Cape Town beautifully, expect Patel to come in for India which would be a fantastic addition and makes their pace attack look even more potent. Gautam is probably dead cert to get a game also, don't think Sehwag will get dropped, Jaffer will probably be the most likely at least Sehwag got a decent ball.
Don't know what South Africa are going to do, Paul Harris has been earmarked for Cape Town since selection but in a winner takes all encounter be a big ask for him, Kallis could be back but supposedly his not going to bowl, so just a straight swap for Amla possibly.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Two points I would like to make -
a) On Blaming umpires - I do not see why umpires have to be criticised as much as they are in the modern game. Just as players have good and bad matches, it is the same with umpires. Also, if an umpire has a lot of bad games and is not booted out by the system, the system has to be blamed and not the umpires.
b) People say the result could have been altered if there weren't so many decisions which went against us - A few cricketers have done this as well in their autobiographies but if you know the umpires were not biased and it was an error of judgement, it is better to just accept team x won, congratulate them and fight another day. Even if decisions do not go your way, the right approach is to fight on and in the end, a champion team will more often than not come out trumps in the game. If not the game, then in the series. If not in the series, then the next one. The legacy of a side will not generally be altered in the long run and so there is little to crib regarding.
a) On Blaming umpires - I do not see why umpires have to be criticised as much as they are in the modern game. Just as players have good and bad matches, it is the same with umpires. Also, if an umpire has a lot of bad games and is not booted out by the system, the system has to be blamed and not the umpires.
b) People say the result could have been altered if there weren't so many decisions which went against us - A few cricketers have done this as well in their autobiographies but if you know the umpires were not biased and it was an error of judgement, it is better to just accept team x won, congratulate them and fight another day. Even if decisions do not go your way, the right approach is to fight on and in the end, a champion team will more often than not come out trumps in the game. If not the game, then in the series. If not in the series, then the next one. The legacy of a side will not generally be altered in the long run and so there is little to crib regarding.
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TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
TBF to Marc who I believe doesn't have Sky, Sree's dismissal did look out to me. Dravid's one was different however, I thought it wasn't out first time I saw it but you can't begrudge the umpire for giving Sree out, everything looked and sounded right (in real speed).Dravid said:
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
If the umpiring wasn't as horrible as it was, we certainly would've drawn the match. But do you guys think we might've even had a chance at a win?
EDIT: Most likely no. There we go, I just answered my question.
EDIT: Most likely no. There we go, I just answered my question.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
You had two bad/dodgy decision in the second innings and your boys only had to stick it out for five hours and a bit, how do you equate the other eight dismissals?Turbinator said:
Also imagine if Amla, Boucher, Hall et cetera didn't get out to their rather dubious decisions, the terrorist could have hit a double hundred.
Turbinator
Cricketer Of The Year
^ Yeah what are the chances of that, and also I am talking about the match on a whole.
Anyways, forget it, it was more so our fault than the umpires.
Anyways, forget it, it was more so our fault than the umpires.
Langeveldt
Soutie
Haha, no...TT Boy said:Also imagine if Amla, Boucher, Hall et cetera didn't get out to their rather dubious decisions, the terrorist could have hit a double hundred.