***Official*** India in Pakistan

[Tony Blade]

Shoaib ruled out of second ODI

 

[adharcric]

India in Asia.
So far on past performances, Flintoff can't bat in Asia.
No.

Yes but even if I were to agree with you (which I don't) and believe Flintoff would make every team including Idea on batting alone, he's probably the only allrounder in world cricket that would be able to make a team on batting and bowling alone (that is, if their other talent wasn't used).

So apparently, by that definition, Flintoff is the only allrounder in world cricket. That's why I believe that this criteria to determine whether one is an allrounder is extremely flawed.

This criteria is clearly flawed, and the reason why is quite simple. If you expect a player to be good enough to make a team as both a batsman and a bowler, you're saying that he should fulfill the role of two players (specialists) in the team. Asking for any cricketer to be as good as two international-standard players is a pretty crazy thing, especially when these two (hypothetical players) have contrasting skills. The fact that Flintoff even comes close to fulfilling this criteria for most teams in the world is truly scary .. says a lot about the kind of player he is.

 

[Arumpnoo]

Shoaib ruled out of second ODI

Nooooooooo.... Man that sucks, wanted to see him performing on his home-ground. Man that is half of Pakistani bowling. No matter how many wickets he take, he is the senior bowler and would have loved to see him on field. I hope he comes back for Lahore.
It sucks

 

[Jono]

Yeah I hope Akhar returns by the 3rd ODI, preferable with India already levelled the series 1-1

 

[honestbharani]

Inzy's comments after the fact, not the "Oh I didn't know the rule" but the "Bad taste in my mouth", along with Moin Kahn's are an absolute disgrace. The hypocrisy when one compares it to Sachin's dismissal in 1999 makes it even more shocking.

Not to forget Moin "claiming" a catch off the second bounce against Sourav in the Chennai test during the same series. (actually, they were diff. series, but they were played consecutively)

 

[Anil]

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakvind/content/story/236394.html

good article by the pakistani editor of cricinfo on the inzi incident in the 1st odi...

 

[Anil]

Its not like everyone kept quiet after the Sachin incident either, just like theres been a bit of hue and cry over this one. Lets just get past it, it will probably be forgotten soon enough.

it's not the same when the batsmen after grounding his bat properly collides with the bowler, becomes off-balance and bat goes up in the air and the bails come off at the same time....techincally that is out but if you want to argue "spirit of the game", that argument has much more punch than this mountain that inzi is creating out of nothing(there's not even a molehill in sight ) ......

 

[Arumpnoo]

it's not the same when the batsmen after grounding his bat properly collides with the bowler, becomes off-balance and bat goes up in the air and the bails come off at the same time....techincally that is out but if you want to argue "spirit of the game", that argument has much more punch than this mountain that inzi is creating out of nothing(there's not even a molehill in sight ) ......

Since we are talking about the spirit of the game, here are my 2 cents. Everyone seems to relate this to Tendulkar's dismissal. During the 1989 series, the touring Indian captain Srikanth was adjudged lbw by the umpire and he was upset and showed his dissent. Former Pakistan Captain Imran Khan then called him back and the next ball he was clean bowled. That shows simply some spirit of the game. Personally, I don't think it is a big deal and Inzi didn't do right to hang on to it. I am bit surprised because it is unlike of Inzi, maybe Pakistani camp is unhappy about Chappell's remarks for Shoaib. Anyways, I think it should be brushed under the carpet and Inzi the giant should let his bat do the talking.

 

[Tony Blade]

Perhaps, but both were pretty much technicalities. I think Inzamam at the time of the run-out was just in two minds about what to do and instinctively used the bat. It was the Indian fielder's right to appeal, and maximise their chance of winning the game..ultimately whether it was in the spirit of the game or not does not really matter.

 

[Mecnun]

Either way it is done and finished. Inzy should stop talking about it and there is certainly no point brininging grievances as the game is over.

 

[Sanz]

Since we are talking about the spirit of the game, here are my 2 cents. Everyone seems to relate this to Tendulkar's dismissal. During the 1989 series, the touring Indian captain Srikanth was adjudged lbw by the umpire and he was upset and showed his dissent. Former Pakistan Captain Imran Khan then called him back and the next ball he was clean bowled. That shows simply some spirit of the game. Personally, I don't think it is a big deal and Inzi didn't do right to hang on to it. I am bit surprised because it is unlike of Inzi, maybe Pakistani camp is unhappy about Chappell's remarks for Shoaib. Anyways, I think it should be brushed under the carpet and Inzi the giant should let his bat do the talking.

Oh Please...Every knows Srikanth was Akram's bunny and Imran knew Srikanth wouldn't last another over of Akram and even if he did it would work out to Pak's advantage because Srikanth's struggle would create more pressure on himself and his teammates. Not to ferget the fact that Srikanth was actually not out and the umpire was just doing his job (which was suck up to Imran and Javed).
I dont remember Imran ever recalling Gavaskar.

Besides..both Inzi and Moin Khan are acting like a crusadors of sportmanship, here is one interesting quote from CRICINFO :-


41.5 Saqlain Mushtaq to Ganguly, OUT:

India 82/5, Partnership of 9
SC Ganguly c Moin b Saqlain Mushtaq 2 (25b 0x4 0x6)

Saqlain Mushtaq 14.5-5-19-2

Ganguly cracked this ball to ohard at silly point. the ball off his body fell down and diving Moin caught it off the ground very clearly and Dunne gives him out! this is clearly not out according to TV replays....


Guess which match was that ?? It was 1999 Chennai test where India lost by some 12 runs...So much for being sporting and all that..

 

[What-A-Player]

Oh Please...Every knows Srikanth was Akram's bunny and Imran knew Srikanth wouldn't last another over of Akram and even if he did it would work out to Pak's advantage because Srikanth's struggle would create more pressure on himself and his teammates. Not to ferget the fact that Srikanth was actually not out and the umpire was just doing his job (which was suck up to Imran and Javed).
I dont remember Imran ever recalling Gavaskar.

Besides..both Inzi and Moin Khan are acting like a crusadors of sportmanship, here is one interesting quote from CRICINFO :-


41.5 Saqlain Mushtaq to Ganguly, OUT:

India 82/5, Partnership of 9
SC Ganguly c Moin b Saqlain Mushtaq 2 (25b 0x4 0x6)

Saqlain Mushtaq 14.5-5-19-2

Ganguly cracked this ball to ohard at silly point. the ball off his body fell down and diving Moin caught it off the ground very clearly and Dunne gives him out! this is clearly not out according to TV replays....


Guess which match was that ?? It was 1999 Chennai test where India lost by some 12 runs...So much for being sporting and all that..

In the same year , during the Calcutta Match (Asia Cup), Srinath was on a Hat-trick and was bowling to Saleem Malik. He edged it and Ganguly and Co. appealed for a catch that he knew was just short, replays confirmed it and hat-trick never happened

That happened after the Chennai match and it was Gangs who was the victim first but he tried to compensate it and it never happened

82.5 Srinath to Saleem Malik, no run
That looked like a hat-trick- ball edged to slip, the catch claimed, but referred
to the 3rd umpire who gave it not out

82.6 Srinath to Saleem Malik, one run

 

[Arumpnoo]

Oh Please...Every knows Srikanth was Akram's bunny and Imran knew Srikanth wouldn't last another over of Akram and even if he did it would work out to Pak's advantage because Srikanth's struggle would create more pressure on himself and his teammates. Not to ferget the fact that Srikanth was actually not out and the umpire was just doing his job (which was suck up to Imran and Javed).
I dont remember Imran ever recalling Gavaskar.

Ganguly cracked this ball to ohard at silly point. the ball off his body fell down and diving Moin caught it off the ground very clearly and Dunne gives him out! this is clearly not out according to TV replays....

Guess which match was that ?? It was 1999 Chennai test where India lost by some 12 runs...So much for being sporting and all that..

Moin is a monday morning quaterback and who cares what he says. If Imran did recalled than it was a nice gesture and to negate it by saying it was only Srikanth is not right. I already said that it is so much unlike of Inzi. He is always so smooth but in this case he made gaucamole out of nothing. Don't know why? Interestingly, he didn't make much of it even when he was not-out and given out during recent England series.

 

[aussie]

Saqlain Mushtaq

What are the chances of him coming back into the Pakistan test team within the next year & OD team for the WC?. For me if he can take wickers for surrey in coming English season & get back into the form that he had post 2003, he would be a great option for the WC..

 

[C_C]

What are the chances of him coming back into the Pakistan test team within the next year & OD team for the WC?. For me if he can take wickers for surrey in coming English season & get back into the form that he had post 2003, he would be a great option for the WC..

Taking wickets in English FC scene by quality spinners is a walk in the park. Almost every single quality spinner of the last decade and half - Kumble, Murali,Warne,Saqlain,Mushie, etc. have all decimated English FC sides. Saqqi's problem is his over-use of the doosra. He bowls atleast 2-3 doosras every over and the batsmen became very good at predicting the doosra. his over-reliance of the doosra caused his stand offie to degrade in quality - he started bowling off spinners as a 'stop gap' ball, only meant to set up the doosra instead of treating the off break as a potent weapon in itself. Lost his loop significantly too. I reckon that Saqqi's career is over in the international scene. Kaneria is an excellent prospect and from what i've heard, they got another superb prospect in the works who goes by the name of Mansoor Amjad.

 

[Fusion]

it's not the same when the batsmen after grounding his bat properly collides with the bowler, becomes off-balance and bat goes up in the air and the bails come off at the same time....techincally that is out but if you want to argue "spirit of the game", that argument has much more punch than this mountain that inzi is creating out of nothing(there's not even a molehill in sight ) ......

I beg to differ. In both instances, the batsman was technically out and the umpire gave them out. But you can certainly argue that both were against the spirit of the game. So yes, it is hypocritical for Pakistan (or Inzi/Moin in particular) to protest when they did the same thing against Tendulkar. However, let's not "compare" which incident was a mountain, and which was a mole. I supspect that the answer to that would be divided according to loyalties.

 

[aussie]

Taking wickets in English FC scene by quality spinners is a walk in the park. Almost every single quality spinner of the last decade and half - Kumble, Murali,Warne,Saqlain,Mushie, etc. have all decimated English FC sides. Saqqi's problem is his over-use of the doosra. He bowls atleast 2-3 doosras every over and the batsmen became very good at predicting the doosra. his over-reliance of the doosra caused his stand offie to degrade in quality - he started bowling off spinners as a 'stop gap' ball, only meant to set up the doosra instead of treating the off break as a potent weapon in itself. Lost his loop significantly too. I reckon that Saqqi's career is over in the international scene. Kaneria is an excellent prospect and from what i've heard, they got another superb prospect in the works who goes by the name of Mansoor Amjad.

hmm interesting, fair enough then C_C, but still dont you reckon their is any chance he can get back the loop he once had in his bowling and do well on the intl curcuit again, after all he is till young.

 

[Jono]

Pumped up for this match, but I'll also be playing cricket today when the match is on so I won't be able to watch the start. Hopefully India can come back and level the series

 

[Sanz]

In the same year , during the Calcutta Match (Asia Cup), Srinath was on a Hat-trick and was bowling to Saleem Malik. He edged it and Ganguly and Co. appealed for a catch that he knew was just short, replays confirmed it and hat-trick never happened

That happened after the Chennai match and it was Gangs who was the victim first but he tried to compensate it and it never happened

82.5 Srinath to Saleem Malik, no run
That looked like a hat-trick- ball edged to slip, the catch claimed, but referred
to the 3rd umpire who gave it not out

82.6 Srinath to Saleem Malik, one run

Well at least it was referred to the 3rd umpire...unlike the moin one India lost the test because of that catch not to forget the Kolkata test where Pak claimed SRT's dismissal after the collision. So much for being sporting.

Besides Indians aren't whining like a cry baby here...neither do they claim to be sporting...Inzi is. He should blame his lazy fat for not willing to make an effort.

 

[alternative]

A great start for the indians, taking the wicket of Butt in the 2nd ball of the match..