Johann
School Boy/Girl Captain
You're absolutely right, I have no idea where I've remembered it as 3-1.
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***Official*** India in England 2014
- Thread starter Daemon
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England 2000-2013 (which spans two decades) were no way short of confidence + experience as they are now. Sorry, this is the worst home England side India have come up against for a long time.
Fact is you said there was literally no experienced players. Fact is that Dhoni has played plenty of tests in England, Rahane/Kohli/Dhawan have all at least played ODI cricket in England. They are inexperienced, but that cannot be used as an excuse for the collaspses we have seen? Its the manner of defeats more than anything.
If India win at the Oval though then that would turn it around. Not only would it show immense character but an away draw is always a credible result against anyone bar the Bangas/Zim.
Stapel
International Regular
Yeah, 1-0, with a narrow escape as well in the 1st Test. I also remember Anil Kumble being the only one to ton up in a line up with Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Laxman & Dhoni.
OverratedSanity
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Come on, comparing ODI cricket with test cricket? Test experience is totally different. And yes, these collapses are due to inexperience. Kohli, Pujara and Rahane are superb talents who will in all probability put this behind them and come good again. Only a matter of time, hopefully.
I just think way too much has been made of these defeats with regards to the batsmen. Yeah, they've been poor, but talks of dropping Kohli have been doing the rounds in the media. Utterly ridiculous. It's as if no young batsman has ever had his technical defects exposed by quality bowlers. Before th series, he was being hailed as the best young batsman in the world, Now, because he's in a really bad patch, he's rubbish. It's as if players can only be one of two things : Locked-on ATG or a garbage player who will never succeed.
viriya
International Captain
I always thought he looked liked an overgrown rat (no disrespect).
I'm not disagreeing with large parts of what you wrote, Kohli stuff is pretty much bang on. He was never the best young player in the world in Tests IMO (not even best in his own team) but he also shouldn't be dropped. However experience can't be an excuse for the guttlessness of some of the dismissals. Rahane's 2nd dig in the 4th test? Dhoni's? The lack of spine in the side is something which surely is most dissapointing and doens't have much to do with experience, look how Moeen Ali for example battled at Headingley.
Stapel
International Regular
Oh, don't worry!
Last news is that England are looking to win in 2 days, which they consider a fair possibility, if rain stays away.
Cruxdude
International Debutant
Collapsing to Moeen with such regularity is really painful. He is not ****ing Muralitharan. Also losing 9 wickets in a session is just ****. Such abject performances coming after that glorious Lord's test is very surprising.Also Ashwin regardless of his spinning form should play every single away test at least as a specialist bat.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
You can for Sehwag. If he'd had his shoulder fixed in plenty of time he wouldn't have shown up unprepared.
LegionOfBrad
International Debutant
I remember laughing so hard at the king pair. Sehwag was coming in to save the day and then that happened.
harsh.ag
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I don't even know what we are arguing about. I agree with most of what you have to say. But the inexperience of the batting line-up is definitely a factor in the collapses IMO.
Plus, I think you are selling this English side short. Anderson and Broad (Plus the other bowlers) are much better than the days of Harmison and Hoggard. And your batting till KP and Trott arrived was very brittle.
Simon Jones and Freddie >>>>>>>>>>> our 3rd/4th spinners now. Ali better than Giles though in fairness. Batting wise I have to take the likes of Tresco, Thorpe, Strauss, ahead of most of our lot atm.
Yeah inexperience played a role, but there is something more. Its a mental brittleness that comes from the top, Fletcher/Dhoni need to go IMO.
Yeah inexperience played a role, but there is something more. Its a mental brittleness that comes from the top, Fletcher/Dhoni need to go IMO.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
They did minus Jones who got injured in the warmup. (Or rather re-injured)
1st test - God/Hoggard/Harmison/Panesar/Blackwell
2nd - God/Hoggard/Harmison/Plunkett/Panesar
3rd - God/Hoggard/Anderson/Udal/Panesar
Hoggard was incredible first Test, Anderson the third. God was amazing all series, averaged 50 with the bat and 30 with the ball and captained us to our first Test win in India in over two decades
and Duncan Fletcher can **** himself
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Pretty sure it's been a good twenty years since he's been able to reach his own ****, tbf.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Pretty sure he can still reach his head with his hands mind you