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**Official** India in Bangladesh Thread

Spetsnatz

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
First test starts in Dhaka on December 9.

The Indian squad: Sourav Ganguly (captain), Rahul Dravid (vice-captain), Virender Sehwag, Sachin Tendulkar, V.V.S. Laxman, Mohammad Kaif, Dinesh Kaarthick (wicket-keeper), Anil Kumble, Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Khan, Irfan Pathan, Murali Kartik, Gautam Gambhir, Gagandeep Singh and Shiv Sankar Paul.

Be interesting to see if either of the rookie seamers gets a test.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Spetsnatz said:
First test starts in Dhaka on December 9.

The Indian squad: Sourav Ganguly (captain), Rahul Dravid (vice-captain), Virender Sehwag, Sachin Tendulkar, V.V.S. Laxman, Mohammad Kaif, Dinesh Kaarthick (wicket-keeper), Anil Kumble, Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Khan, Irfan Pathan, Murali Kartik, Gautam Gambhir, Gagandeep Singh and Shiv Sankar Paul.

Be interesting to see if either of the rookie seamers gets a test.
It is positively scandalous that in all three previous tours, Australia, Pakistan and England, when Indian new ball attack has been hit by injury, the replacement called from home has always been Amit Bhandari making it obvious that if needed to really be pitched into battle, he is the next trusted bowler.

However, he is NEVER put on the bench for a 'free' ride and all the monetary benefits that go with it. What can be a more blatant abuse of a weak crony system !! SHAME ON THE INDIAN SELECTORS !!

How come the only changes, cosmetic or otherwise, that we see in the Indian side are about the pace attack or the openers. How come the middle order is so firmly entrenched that we never see the names that are thrown around so frequently never given an opportunity even when such a golden one as a tour to minnows Bangladesh presents itself.

If we play Venugopal or Sriram, or anyone(including an opener) else that we think could be a future India bet, and he does manage to get a hundred against Bangladesh , are our seniors so insecure, or our system so ridiculously 'stupid' (for want of a better word) that a Sehwag or Dravid or Sachin who are rested would lose their place in the side when they returned ?

Someone needs to explain this.

We cant drop these seniors because they are scoring , then we cant drop them when they are failing because we would rather trust someone with a good record than a rookie with no record against a good opposition, and now we cant rest them against weak opposition fearful that the rookies will do well ???

If Yuvraj and Kaif plus others, will not get to play these tests, when will they?

If this is not the time to get a youngster to open in a test match and get some confidence of having got a decent score in a test, even if it is against Bangladesh, then when will we ever get the time to do so ?

Is this a better time to play a new opener or was inducting Yuvraj against McGrath, Gillespie and Kasprowicz a better idea ?

"The seleectors are a bunch of jokers", said my old friend Mohinder Amarnath. They still are Jimmy.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
This tour is more or less pointless, except from a marketing perspective. Maybe that is why the selectors have picked a full-strength team for the series. There was no point. Already the team play a large number of matches each year, and it's the same team, so some players definitely needed a break. They've made unknown players into overnight heroes, and legends far greater than they have ever been. It's time the Indians brought in some new players themselves.

The selection of Gagandeep and Paul is good, and at least one of them must get a match. Gagandeep rolled over Assam, then Baroda, and should keep up his impressive Ranji form in the series. That won't be too tough. The muscular pacer from Punjab has done very well in conditions which suit swing bowlers and will be a player to watch. SS Paul is another medium-pacer, who relies more on line and length as well as swing. Zaheer Khan steamrolled the Banglas in Dhaka in an ODI in 2003, and may go flat out to do so again, displaying the form that won Baroda a Ranji Trophy.

Gautam Gambhir will have another chance to convince the selectors that he is a long term option. The performance here will have little meaning given the vast difference between Bangladesh and some of the Indians' more formidable opposition, so the best he can do is free his arms and start going for his shots. His running between wickets is very good, but he stretches his front foot too far across.

Going by how much work Rahul Dravid as done so far, he definitely needs a rest, even if marketing concerns dictate otherwise. It's not been easy for him, as he has tried to bat the Indian team out of trouble, without much success, and keep wickets in ODI's, without any success at all. Sachin's injury may have had some effect on the way he bats, but his junior coach, Ramakant Achrekar, is right in saying he needs a break. Ideally, he should sit out, while Mohammed Kaif returns. He has been in good form, not just in ODI's, but also in Tests. He is a positive player who likes to keep the momentum going, which is fresh relief in a team full of pinch-blockers in the top-6. Irfan Pathan needs more runs too, given that he can bat, and has to go for big scores at a quick pace. For someone rated by his junior coach as a potential Number 6 basman, he has under-achieved. If he could get as many runs, the Indian selectors wouldn't need a keeper who can bat.

Is the spin trio really the right choice? Kumble has had to shoulder the burden of being the team's strike bowler for a long time and has worked very, very hard to get the wickets he took to come to Kapil Dev's 434 wickets in less than 100 matches. He needs a break. Harbhajan too needs a break- his temper is getting a little too hot for the team, and he, like Irfan Pathan, is under-achieving with the bat. Karthik is not in the best of form, except when Rahul Dravid is captain, on minefield pitches. This should have been an opportunity for Sairaj Bahutule and Ramesh Powar to show what the selectors had missed on for so many years, with bat and ball. Young Amit Mishra and Ramkumar could have done well, too. Sehwag can be tried as a regular spin option, adding more weight to his selection.

The Bangladeshis are no real opposition and have been losing not just to senior teams, but also their A-teams as well. A 2-0 scorecard should be the aim of this team, with at least one innings victory. Moreover, they can also try different experiments, with long term gains in mind. They have to change the way they play, and this is the best time.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Someone needs to explain this.

We cant drop these seniors because they are scoring , then we cant drop them when they are failing because we would rather trust someone with a good record than a rookie with no record against a good opposition, and now we cant rest them against weak opposition fearful that the rookies will do well ???

If Yuvraj and Kaif plus others, will not get to play these tests, when will they?

If this is not the time to get a youngster to open in a test match and get some confidence of having got a decent score in a test, even if it is against Bangladesh, then when will we ever get the time to do so ?

Is this a better time to play a new opener or was inducting Yuvraj against McGrath, Gillespie and Kasprowicz a better idea ?

"The seleectors are a bunch of jokers", said my old friend Mohinder Amarnath. They still are Jimmy.
The attitude of the selectors, coach and captain can be summed up by one quote- "We have just won a match and are doing fine, and we don't need to change!" How will they ever improve if this persists?

After every series, they have to look at strengths to build on and not rest on, and weaknesses that should be ironed out, not ignored. The Australians, South Africans and Kiwis have prepared well for tours to India and Sri Lanka. Why can't the Indians prepare for future tours this way?

The team lacks balance, and all-rounders are needed. They should have picked one who's performing consistently in domestic matches, and is among the best batsmen or bowlers in the season. They should have enhanced a player's other skill and optimise his position. Neither happened.

Fielding was another grey area- be it throwing, sliding, diving, taking slip catches, and especially wicketkeeping. But still, throws are lateral, not straight. Balls go through fielders' legs and under their hands. Outfielders get their foot in front to stop the ballrather than slide. Lesser said of keeping, the better. But none of this has improved. Why? They have won a series againt Australia in 2001! They have won the NatWest series in 2002! They drew with Australia in Australia and scratched through to defeat Pakistan in Pakistan in 2003! They're the best! They don't need to change?

Then again......
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I don't blame them too much. I think most Indian cricketers do feel insecure even if they have a temporary form slump. And I don't think it is without reason, either. (Just look at some of the reactions about Sachin and Sourav here!) But, in all fairness, I would have rested Dravid and taken someone else. He is over-worked and needs a break just now, perhaps play a bit of Ranji and find some way to score at a slightly more acceptable rate. Other than that, I think the squad is fine.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
honestbharani said:
I don't blame them too much. I think most Indian cricketers do feel insecure even if they have a temporary form slump. And I don't think it is without reason, either. (Just look at some of the reactions about Sachin and Sourav here!) But, in all fairness, I would have rested Dravid and taken someone else. He is over-worked and needs a break just now, perhaps play a bit of Ranji and find some way to score at a slightly more acceptable rate. Other than that, I think the squad is fine.
I think, at the minimum, we should have rested Dravid, Sehwag and Ganguly amongst the batsmen and Harbhajan and Zaheer from the bowlers. Kumble should have been asked to lead the side.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
SJS said:
I think, at the minimum, we should have rested Dravid, Sehwag and Ganguly amongst the batsmen and Harbhajan and Zaheer from the bowlers. Kumble should have been asked to lead the side.
India can replace any bowler when the team desires..

But when it comes to batsmen, specially middle order batsmen, why is India SO rigid?

Simple answer.. who are the middle order batsmen likely to be replaced? Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly or Laxman?

Ganguly and Laxman for inconsistencies....

So why take the risk at all at giving the young players a chance in tests?

In one dayers there is no risk for Ganguly, so Dinesh Mongia gets a call up into the team...

I totally think the Likes of Sehwag, Dravid and Kumble should be given a rest. A new opener and a series (two tests for a batsman or two (Yuvraj, Kaif and Dinesh Mongia or some one else) would help give the team's bench strength confidence. I like the idea of having S.S.Paul and Gagandeep for the series..

Also, Bhandari has not been included cos he is very mediocre from whatever I have seen of him over the years. Also, he has failed to impres in the little that he has played for India and I am sure the same goes for the bowling he has done in the nets.. will be interesting to see how he has performed in the cricket he has played since being given the cold shoulder..
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
SJS said:
I think, at the minimum, we should have rested Dravid, Sehwag and Ganguly amongst the batsmen and Harbhajan and Zaheer from the bowlers. Kumble should have been asked to lead the side.
I am not saying I agreed with the selectors here. But I think I can understand why the players and the selectors are reluctant to experiment. Ideally, I think Sachin, Rahul, Kumble could have been rested. Sourav and Sehwag should play because their game depends a lot on confidence. So, from the side that was selected, I would have rested Sachin, Rahul and Kumble and played Bahutle, Dinesh Mongia and Sriram instead.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Yes, I know that, but are you seriously saying you think Bangladesh playing Tests and regular ODIs does either them or international cricket any good?
Their promotion was done in the wrong way and it discredits Test and ODI cricket and quite possibly damages their future prospects - 4 years of being thrashed hollow can't exactly be confidence-producing.
 

Sehwag309

Banned
marc71178 said:
Why not?

If sides don't get the chances then there'll never be expansion in Test Cricket.

I agree with you, why deprive Bangladeshis of good cricket

At the most, send a mix of experienced and newbies
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Sehwag309 said:
I agree with you, why deprive Bangladeshis of good cricket
At the most, send a mix of experienced and newbies
But they do have television, right ?

Kidding. :p
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I think it would be better for Bangladesh to play the A teams of all test playing nations, both home and away and they can be given test status after assessing their performances in such matches. I think this procedure should be followed for all new teams wanting test status.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Having been promoted then the worst thing the ICC could do is strip them of the status.

They have shown encouraging signs in 2004.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Pratyush said:
I totally think the Likes of Sehwag...need a rest
For a change, Sehwag should play as an extra off-spinner and not as a batsman. He is quite a good bowler and should be considered for ten overs, especially in ODI's. It's better than giving the ball to Sachin for two overs which go for 16, then Saurav for 1 over that goes for 14, then Yuvraj for 3 overs that go for 28, and Sehwag getting 4 overs for 46. One of them may take a wicket, and in the recent past, Sehwag has been the one most likely to last long and do a good job. The more Sehwag bowls, the better he'll get, and more effective than the bits-and-pieces combination.
 
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