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***Official*** India in Australia

adharcric

International Coach
Pratyush said:
Zaheer
Kumble
RP
Munaf

Other people:

Irfan Pathan, Sehwag - underdog for a place.
Harbhajan, Sreesanth - likely to miss out.
Looks good but I'd say the race between RP, Munaf and Sreesanth is very close. Even if all three are physically and mentally fit, I'm not sure who is the lesser of the three. Let's see how the seamers fare against Pakistan. Anyways, it's a good situation to be in for India.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Has Sehwag played any FC games lately? AFAIK the only cricket he has had is limited overs stuff, and a couple of ODIs. Not really enough to gauge what kind of form he is currently in, although his last few performances in Test cricket have been abysmal.
Sehwag in recent times:

FC:

2006-07 (India) 1 1 0 106 106 106.00 1 0 1
2007-08 (India) 0 matches

List A:

2007 (India) 3 3 0 105 52 35.00 0 1 0
2007-08 (India) 6 6 0 163 75 27.16 0 1 2

Next to no play. Whatever I have seen of him, he has been poor as well. So I really don't like Sehwag right now. You need to play more than that (and play very well) to try and force your way into the side.

I disagree with you that Yuvraj will necessarily struggle to open v Australia. It is some thing we don't know but I am not as apprehensive about as I would about Sehwag and Gambhir right now. Yuvraj any way is not probable to open. If Yuvraj and Laxman BOTH keeps piling the runs and an opener's slot is open, I wouldn't count against it happening.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Yuvraj will become a quality test batsman but he doesn't play the leave as well as a top-drawer opener should IMO. Jaffer and Karthik are a solid pair right now and Chopra would be my reserve option. I'd like to avoid Sehwag for now but he's always a wild card so you never know.
A test opener and a middle order batsman, both need to know how to leave the ball to become a good batsman more often than not. Obviously you need a lot of special skills to become a test opener and leaving the ball much more, ability to play fast bowlers, ability to play the new ball, the extra bounce all come into it. I am not sure Yuvraj would be bad as an opener. He is very comfortable against fast bowling, is a good batsman and he may seem too good to be left out of the team if he maintains his form (or enhances it) and some other openers don't do particularly well in the future. He might cope with opening, whatever I have seen of him. Obviously we disagree on this.

About Sehwag, I know what you mean. He might come into the side out of the blue like he did for T20. I don't like such entries into the side at all.
 
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Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Looks good but I'd say the race between RP, Munaf and Sreesanth is very close. Even if all three are physically and mentally fit, I'm not sure who is the lesser of the three. Let's see how the seamers fare against Pakistan. Anyways, it's a good situation to be in for India.
Sreesanth seems to have the fire power at times. However, he is far too inconsistent. That can hurt India a lot against a side like Australia which will murder bad bowling. It would also mean easing the pressure built. If he improves in this aspect, he is a very good bowler. For now, I would say RP and Munaf>Sreesanth.
 
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AKkAz

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Getting India off to a solid start and not losing a wicket before lunch: priceless.

Australia have quality openers and due to that quality they are able to score at a relatively good rate. Gambhir shouldn't be opening because he isn't good enough. Also, Jaffer and Karthik are the established openers while Sehwag, Gambhir and Chopra are all competing for the third openers spot.
Perhaps thats true, however I still feel that we should have at least one fairly aggressive opening batsman to supplement the solid partner at the other end. Not saying that Sehwag should definitely be included but you cannot ignore the success of India with an in form Sehwag opening..Really taking the attack to the bowlers..
 

AKkAz

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Sreesanth seems to have the fire power at times. However, he is far too inconsistent. That can hurt India a lot against a side like Australia which will murder bad bowling. It would also mean easing the pressure built. If he improves in this aspect, he is a very good bowler. For now, I would say RP and Munaf>Sreesanth.
True, Sreesanth could perhaps be drawn equivalent to a Tait in Australian domestic cricket
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Perhaps thats true, however I still feel that we should have at least one fairly aggressive opening batsman to supplement the solid partner at the other end. Not saying that Sehwag should definitely be included but you cannot ignore the success of India with an in form Sehwag opening..Really taking the attack to the bowlers..
Nor can you ignore the failure of India with an out-of-form Sehwag opening and gifting an early wicket. :p

The thing you've got to try to work-out is which is likeliest, not which is best if it comes-off.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Not sure what you're watching tbh, don't think it's the same thing as the rest of us though.
Well it's the same thing, that's pretty unavoidable. I might well form different conclusions to it from certain people, though - why all the Zaheer-love I just don't know. If I didn't know better I'd say people were just trying to patronise Vaas.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Only on one tour, really. The last ones, despite taking a number of wickets, Murali only really troubled them in one inning. Other times, Murali would start his 40th over with 1 or 2/120 or something like that, clean up the tail and end with 5/140. Was just surprisingly ineffective against Australia even in SL.
Sure, but not as ineffective as he has been in Australia. There has to be something besides "they played him well" for a bowler as good as Murali to average 100.

Also, did he not have a number of chances missed in the series in 2003\04, thus allowing the likes of Martyn to make runs they shouldn't have?
 

AKkAz

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
It comes down to this..If Stuart Macgill plays, I think India will have a good chance. With Brad Hogg playing, I suspect India will struggle.. The Aus. pitches have also been interestingly left bouncy, curious the impact that will have. Either way, I am expecting a 2-1 result..whether that be to India or Australia i'm not sure..
 

Fiery

Banned
It comes down to this..If Stuart Macgill plays, I think India will have a good chance. With Brad Hogg playing, I suspect India will struggle.. The Aus. pitches have also been interestingly left bouncy, curious the impact that will have. Either way, I am expecting a 2-1 result..whether that be to India or Australia i'm not sure..
Why? McGill > test bowler than Hogg
 

LongHopCassidy

International Captain
Why? McGill > test bowler than Hogg
Agree with you, but Hogg's sample size is taken from India in 1996 and West Indies in 2003, which - when one factors in the pitches, batting and brevity - isn't really a fair comparison.

I'm led to believe that current FC form is more telling of aptitude in the longer game.
 
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Fiery

Banned
Agree with you, but Hogg's sample size is taken from India in 1996, which - when one factors in the pitches, batting and brevity - isn't really a fair comparison.

I'm led to believe that current FC form is more telling of aptitude in the longer game.
Just going by what I've seen of them both in international cricket, both tests and ODIs tbh
 

iamdavid

International Debutant
It comes down to this..If Stuart Macgill plays, I think India will have a good chance. With Brad Hogg playing, I suspect India will struggle.. The Aus. pitches have also been interestingly left bouncy, curious the impact that will have. Either way, I am expecting a 2-1 result..whether that be to India or Australia i'm not sure..
I really dont think which spinner Australia picks will have too much of a bearing on the result, tbh I expect the poor soul (whether it be MacGill, Hogg or god help us Dan Cullen) to really struggle for any impact at all and have an uphill battle to play test cricket again after the series. Think the battle which will decide the war is India's batsman v Australian seamers, if the Indians adapt to conditions quickly and play to their potential then we'll likely have a competitive bat-athon with several draws (ala 2003/04), if they dont and the Australian seamers get on top of them they'll be rolled in no time and the series will be pretty boring (ala 1999/00).
 

AKkAz

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
I really dont think which spinner Australia picks will have too much of a bearing on the result, tbh I expect the poor soul (whether it be MacGill, Hogg or god help us Dan Cullen) to really struggle for any impact at all and have an uphill battle to play test cricket again after the series. Think the battle which will decide the war is India's batsman v Australian seamers, if the Indians adapt to conditions quickly and play to their potential then we'll likely have a competitive bat-athon with several draws (ala 2003/04), if they dont and the Australian seamers get on top of them they'll be rolled in no time and the series will be pretty boring (ala 1999/00).
The Indian batsman certainly have struggled against Johnson
 

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