*Official* India in Australia Thread

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

There are other spinners around Australia of course, but none worth mentioning for a test spot (Casson and White are pushing it as it is). I'd still go with Hauritz.

Doesn't Ricky bowl the odd turner?

 

[mavric41]

Doesn't Ricky bowl the odd turner?

Yes - they are very odd :P

 

[Gaijin-san]

Craig, you didn't write anything about Dizzy freakin' Gillespie!! He toiled long and hard for that 48* and was unfortunate to miss out on 50.
It was his highest score, that's a stat innit?

 

[Gaijin-san]

Doesn't Ricky bowl the odd turner?

So does Marcus North, what's your point? :duh:

 

[Salamuddin]

I've heard Cameron White is more an Anil Kumble style leggie than an orthodox leg spinner.
I'm looking foward to see him bowl this weekend.


But yes I agree...that there aren't quality finger spinners in the country, perhaps why Australia struggle against them when they go to the subcontinent.
NSW are unlikely to take Hauritz, given their preference for McGlll and Liam Zammit.
WA certainly won't; not with Hogg and Casson in the squad.
Tas have Doherty, Tubb and Marsh so they probably won't be interested.

Yeah Nathan's best bets are probably SA and Vic. Who's bowling spin for these states now ?

 

[Gaijin-san]

I've heard Cameron White is more an Anil Kumble style leggie than an orthodox leg spinner.

Yep, quite quick, not a lot of turn.

Originally posted by jamesryfler
Yeah Nathan's best bets are probably SA and Vic. Who's bowling spin for these states now ?

SA - Davison
VIC - White

They would be their frontline spinners I believe. Hauritz can outdo them both I think. Ashley Mallett has a lot of faith in Hauritz, he just said that Hauritz has to get more flight, which he's started to do.

 

[CDAK]

More talented than this line up?

Interesting, but I would question that.

The only exception is Sachin.
Gavaskar, Srikkanth, Vengsarkar,Azharuddin,Ravishastri, Kapildev... were kapil's talented group whereas Saurav's is having only a sachin to be excptional and uotstanding.The rest is Dravid only.(Veng sarkar was more steadier than-Darvid;
Azhar is more attacking,stylish and classy-than Laxman
Sehwag-probably better than Srikkanth.
Shastri-almost eqvt to Saurav.
No option for Gavaskar
Noone for Kapil...
.....so saurav's cannot be the best Indian team ever; the only good thing they've done is they beat the Unbeatable AUS thrice in test....is that the parameter to be given to the bets team?!!! So , Saurav,...try hard, kick out patel, bring in some more classy spinners and beat consistently other teams like NZ(i feel NZ is more or less India eqvt team) and SA.

 

[deeps]

The only exception is Sachin.
Gavaskar, Srikkanth, Vengsarkar,Azharuddin,Ravishastri, Kapildev... were kapil's talented group whereas Saurav's is having only a sachin to be excptional and uotstanding.The rest is Dravid only.(Veng sarkar was more steadier than-Darvid;
Azhar is more attacking,stylish and classy-than Laxman
Sehwag-probably better than Srikkanth.
Shastri-almost eqvt to Saurav.
No option for Gavaskar
Noone for Kapil...
.....so saurav's cannot be the best Indian team ever; the only good thing they've done is they beat the Unbeatable AUS thrice in test....is that the parameter to be given to the bets team?!!! So , Saurav,...try hard, kick out patel, bring in some more classy spinners and beat consistently other teams like NZ(i feel NZ is more or less India eqvt team) and SA.

Sourav sed it was the best TEAM.....not best group of players...You can have the most brilliant 11 in the world, and they can still lose to another average team.... A team needs balance.... A couple of flashy players, a couple of solid players, a good keeper, good quicks,good spinners..

Having 6 extremely good, flashy batsmen and no solid ones means there are 6 good batsman on the team....But that's not a very good batting line up...If u get my point

Cricket is a team sport,having a bunch of excellent players doesn't mean ur team will b succsefful

Have a look at Real Madrid...on paper they are formidable...the best team by far...However plenty of teams have beaten Real madrid...They are a bunch of individual champions...not a champion team

 

[deeps]

sourav's team managed to do wat other teams have struggled to do...beat australia at home

I;m not sure,but i dont' think kapil's team beat australia in australia...and so hence sourav's team got the result...and hence is the better team..but i re-itereate....I'm not sure wethere kapil's team beat aus in aus or not...........

 

[warrioryohannan]

Hauritz?

Yeah i was talking about Hauritz, i liked him, he looked promissing.

Mcgill has so far struggled, i guess as soon as Warne is available for Australia, Mcgill will face the axe and his career would probably be over!

 

[krkode]

Deeps, beating Australia in Australia isn't the only cricketing challenge worth winning. There are other cricketing accomplishments of equal presige. India Kapil and India Saurav are both two very good teams and it'll be hard to compare them right away. It's true that Ganguly's team has done something Kapil's team couldn't. That said, Kapil's team did something that Ganguly's couldn't (read: World cup).

So there is no "hence such..." to the situation. It's subjective material. Kapil's team, although a bunch of individual champs, performed excellently as a team. A period in the 80s when India was one of the most powerful teams in the world. Because they could play as a team. This team plays as a team too. But you must remember, both games, draw and victory rested on heroics. First Ganguly, then Laxman, Dravid and Agarkar.

The day India can win a great match without the need for heroics is the day we can call it the greatest team India has had. 1983 could do it, and the India today have just taken the first steps to doing it.

 

[warrioryohannan]

Was Ganguly talking about best ever TEST team or Oneday team? As Kapil's team did wonders in OD only (by winning the '83 WC).

Also i think Ganguly should have waited for this series to have been over, and only after winning the series he should have declared the team as the best ever.

 

[deeps]

i wasn't trying to say that the current team is better than kapil's team...i was merely pointing out that u can't compare two teams by JUST comparing their players..the team record is the most imporant thing....

and yeah,ganguly was talking bout best test team i believe

however,i don't think he should've made these statments till the end of the series AT LEAST... india have won one test in australia,and already he's saying that it's the best indian team ever,and that they can b the best team in the world etc etc. that's arrogant and jumping the gun waay 2 early

 

[CDAK]

I wouldn't take Casson either. He looks like he could be a good test spinner one day but certainly not yet. I suppose if worst comes to worst they'll call up Brad Hogg. At the moment though I do rate Casson higher than Hogg. Casson can spray them around a bit, and Hogg has this seemingly unpickable wrong 'un, but on the whole Casson still looks a little better.

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I feel Brad Hogg is a better option though I haven't seen others bowling.Hogg troubled Indians atleast afew overs in World cup.I remember, even Sachin failed to read his balls at times.
A Leg spinner may not perform well against this indian team.Those who achieved hieghts agnst India are Murali, Saqlain, John Bracewell, Greg Mathews and all are off spinners. Warne, till date is a big failure against india and same for McGill. See the stuff Katich is doing, isn't it also off-spin for RHbatsmen.So he performed much better than McGill. That means Brad Hogg can do more better....
Forget Warne & McGill ....they r failure agnst India...

 

[James]

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[deeps]

I feel Brad Hogg is a better option though I haven't seen others bowling.Hogg troubled Indians atleast afew overs in World cup.I remember, even Sachin failed to read his balls at times.
A Leg spinner may not perform well against this indian team.Those who achieved hieghts agnst India are Murali, Saqlain, John Bracewell, Greg Mathews and all are off spinners. Warne, till date is a big failure against india and same for McGill. See the stuff Katich is doing, isn't it also off-spin for RHbatsmen.So he performed much better than McGill. That means Brad Hogg can do more better....
Forget Warne & McGill ....they r failure agnst India...

totally agreE! tendulkar has struggled agains't left arm spinners.... Vettori, Boje and even michael Clarke got him out... Hogg is a good bowler..however common opinion is that he is only good in short spells... Which is hard 2 believe as he clocked the best beep test time off all the aussie cricketers...it was around 15.3,which is damn good..even for a footballer... For the SCG test, i would b tempted to take in two spinners....and hogg's batting is pretty good as well,so he can probally take bichel's spot (lee will b back...and hopefully mcgrath)

As much as i wanna see hogg in the next test,i doubt we'll see it...Swaugh has big wraps on macgill, and in the few tests that hogg has played,i don't fink he got a decent bowl.....

 

[Gaijin-san]

That means Brad Hogg can do more better....

That might be but I don't rate him as a test bowler. I'd go with Hauritz, then Casson, then Hogg, then White.
While Casson would probably not dent the Indians too much I just can't see Hogg doing any more, so I'd put Casson in first.

All this is really a joke though, I'd keep MacGill any day. He's a great bowler and he can do the job against India. No point turning to a less experienced player who looks kind of alright on the basis that they might do the job.

 

[Gaijin-san]

tendulkar has struggled agains't left arm spinners.... even michael Clarke got him out...

You sound surprised.

Originally posted by deeps
...and hopefully mcgrath

I hate to be the bearer of bad news... Oh who am I kidding?

But seriously, he won't be playing.

 

[CDAK]

Was Ganguly talking about best ever TEST team or Oneday team? As Kapil's team did wonders in OD only (by winning the '83 WC).

Also i think Ganguly should have waited for this series to have been over, and only after winning the series he should have declared the team as the best ever.

As far as I know, during Kapil's time, England was a better (and best)team than Australia( though they won the 87 world cup beating England) in both onedayers and test, along with Pakistan. Kapil's India beat England 2-0 in England, in 3 match series(it would have been 3-0, if the rain & badlight hadn't affected te last day).This is the latest Indian overseas series victory.
Ganguly is not stating a science or political theorem. In sports , anybody is entitled to comment on their own team and that depends on their personal way of dealing things. Saurav is the most agressive and optimistic captain India ever had/have. So, no wonder he is saying his team is the best.Those who don't like it, discard it...it's not going to change the world.

 

[CDAK]

That might be but I don't rate him as a test bowler. I'd go with Hauritz, then Casson, then Hogg, then White.
While Casson would probably not dent the Indians too much I just can't see Hogg doing any more, so I'd put Casson in first.

All this is really a joke though, I'd keep MacGill any day. He's a great bowler and he can do the job against India. No point turning to a less experienced player who looks kind of alright on the basis that they might do the job.

I wanted to say, it will be better to go for an off-spinner than leg spinners though they r world class. I never think McGill bowled badly.But it's the Indian toporder's ability to mange him made him so underrated.