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***Official*** India in Australia 2014-5

Daemon

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aaron certianly has the tools to be a very good bowler for india imo but he's not there yet. if he was an aussie or saffa you'd say go back to first class cricket and learn your trade but unfortunately being the fast bowling wasteland that it is, you wouldn't think he'd learn much in india.

atm ishant bhuvi yadav are India's best 3 quicks with aaron ahead of shami as the 4th imo
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ffs i think at least 10 different people have mentioned that this just isn't the case in the last week itself
 
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cnerd123

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It depends.

If you are the type of pacer who pitches it up, looks for swing, can hit a decent area for 4/6 balls and bowl in the 120-130s, you do very very well on Indian grasstops. It's why guys like Vinay Kumar, Kulkarlani, Binny, Sid Kaul are all basically gods in Ranji. But they aren't useful for Tests. Bhuvi is they very best you can hope to develop in these conditions, and as mentioned before, he is barely Test class.

Someone like Shami would (and did) tear it up there, because he is quicker than average and is a pitch it up outswing bowler. But as we see, he lacks consistency. Someone like Pankaj used to do well on the traditional Indian slow/flat track. He has accuracy, control, and is a hit the deck style of seamer so can extract a bit of life out of dead tracks. He also has good cutters. But he loses effectiveness on the kind of grassy wickets we see in Ranji now, even though he is more of a Test bowler than the guys actually taking wickets in Ranji.

Aaron won't necessarily go well in Ranji, because he barely swings it. Perhaps his extra pace will offset for that. In either case, it isn't a valuable experience for him. He'd gain more if he went over to play some County, or even some sort of decent level cricket in South Africa/Australia.
 
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Daemon

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Yeah, agree with pretty much everything. Pretty sure dermo was using the usual stereotype of wickets in India though which is why I made that post.
 

cnerd123

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Also Re: Indian slips being ****.

I think what we are seeing are the consequences of a decade of 30+ YO batsmen who made up the Ranji teams constantly fielding in the slips while sending the young'uns out to do the running about in the outfield, or to field in bat pad.

Now that those old guys have moved on, both from the National and Domestic setups, this new young breed of batsmen we have are just not used to fielding in the slips. As a consequence we have a lot of really good outfielders (Kohli, Raina, Rohit, Jadeja, even Dhawan is useful out there) and some handy bat-pads (Pujara and Vijay), but no one able to field in the slips anymore.

Makes Ashwin even more valuable to the side. India should just pick a couple of guys who they know will be in the setup for a long while, and stick with them in the slips. Give them extra practices, make sure they field there in all cricket they play, and just persist with 2-3 guys + Ashwin, instead of shuffling that position about.
 

Daemon

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dhawan vijay rahane ashwin can all do a decent job imo

i know rahane made that unforgivable drop the other day but still
 

Flem274*

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Glad that Shami got a couple of wickets. I think he is a bit underrated in this thread. My personal perspective on him is that going into this match he had an average of 37. And that's exactly how good I think he is. Or possibly at a stretch a 35 average bowler. That is good enough to be India's 3rd seamer. Maybe India fans would disagree and maybe they desire to have three seamers with all sub 30 averages but there aren't many of those bowlers in the world.
Nah when he first came on the scene he was like a shorter Southee. High 130s accurate outswing bowler who put it on a great length and could get it reversing. He's regressed a lot and it's terrible to see because he's quite good to watch when he's bowling to his best.

He's going through his Doug Bracewell phase. Maybe like Dougeh he's being asked to play roles he's not suited to as well.
 

Flem274*

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Also Yadav and Bhuvi would be a perfectly fine new ball combination in test cricket. With Ishant's improvement and Ashwin rounding the bowling out, India would have a reasonable bowling group. Get Shami fixed up, Aaron developed and Pankaj in the squad and India will look balanced.
 

GotSpin

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Dont reckon this is a flat wicket by any means. Enough inconsistency to keep the punters more than interested
 

Daemon

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They're going with that stupid excessive short ball strategy again aren't they..

This isn't lords and it isn't england ffs
 

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