***Official*** India and England in Australia ODI Tri-Series 2015

[Bleed_Blue]

While your choice in not willing to watch test cricket is appreciated, boasting about it in almost every second post of yours will come back to haunt you here.

I wasn't not boasting mate simply stating that I purely follow ODI and t20 rather than Test Cricket but I was aware of Rahul's fine accomplishment in his 2nd Test!

 

[grecian]

Well, Bleed Blue seems he'll be an hoot.

Anyway, I have to say one of the more annoying features of being an England cricket/football fan ATM, is the supposed brilliance of the unpicked player. For once this is not just a dig at KP (even though he plays a part), it's just everything.

The way Carrick would have clearly been the new Zidane if not picked by Hodgson, was pretty memorable recently, along with Ashley Cole not being over the hill, like he'd shown for a while if he'd been picked..

Now we get Tredwell, I've been the biggest advocate of tricky tredders playing for ages, but all of a sudden leaving him out was tantamount to leaving out Murali to some people.

Hales clearly would have done a Chris Gayle style innings, rather than the lurching wreck he looked in Sri Lanka apparently. Stokes because of some half-decent performances in domestic t20 would have somehow shown that he was a world-class player in ODIs.

This isn't a dig at posters on this forum. It's just a general annoyance in fans and media that just want to believe we have the players in these forms to perform magnificently, yet somehow we don't pick them.

It's a ridiculous notion because they can't face the facts we're just not that good, we haven't the players and other countries have better talent, because we're more interested in generating money at the top of our sports than any grass-root investment..

 

[Bleed_Blue]

Well, Bleed Blue seems he'll be an hoot.

Anyway, I have to say one of the more annoying features of being an England cricket/football fan ATM, is the supposed brilliance of the unpicked player. For once this is not just a dig at KP (even though he plays a part), it's just everything.

The way Carrick would have clearly been the new Zidane if not picked by Hodgson, was pretty memorable recently, along with Ashley Cole not being over the hill, like he'd shown for a while if he'd been picked..

Now we get Tredwell, I've been the biggest advocate of tricky tredders playing for ages, but all of a sudden leaving him out was tantamount to leaving out Murali to some people.

Hales clearly would have done a Chris Gayle style innings, rather than the lurching wreck he looked in Sri Lanka apparently. Stokes because of some half-decent performances in domestic t20 would have somehow shown that he was a world-class player in ODIs.

This isn't a dig at posters on this forum. It's just a general annoyance in fans and media that just want to believe we have the players in these forms to perform magnificently, yet somehow we don't pick them.

It's a ridiculous notion because they can't face the facts we're just not that good, we haven't the players and other countries have better talent, because we're more interested in generating money at the top of our sports than any grass-root investment..

In all seriousness do you think England would be a stronger side in the World Cup with or without KP?

 

[anil1405]

Well, Bleed Blue seems he'll be an hoot.

Anyway, I have to say one of the more annoying features of being an England cricket/football fan ATM, is the supposed brilliance of the unpicked player. For once this is not just a dig at KP (even though he plays a part), it's just everything.

The way Carrick would have clearly been the new Zidane if not picked by Hodgson, was pretty memorable recently, along with Ashley Cole not being over the hill, like he'd shown for a while if he'd been picked..

Now we get Tredwell, I've been the biggest advocate of tricky tredders playing for ages, but all of a sudden leaving him out was tantamount to leaving out Murali to some people.

Hales clearly would have done a Chris Gayle style innings, rather than the lurching wreck he looked in Sri Lanka apparently. Stokes because of some half-decent performances in domestic t20 would have somehow shown that he was a world-class player in ODIs.

This isn't a dig at posters on this forum. It's just a general annoyance in fans and media that just want to believe we have the players in these forms to perform magnificently, yet somehow we don't pick them.

It's a ridiculous notion because they can't face the facts we're just not that good, we haven't the players and other countries have better talent, because we're more interested in generating money at the top of our sports than any grass-root investment..

Tredwell is the sort of bloke who'd keep things tight in those middle overs 8 out of 10 times and would also chip in with wickets every now and then. He might not walk into most of the other teams but England surely need him. Anderson + Broad + Woakes + Bopara + Tredwell would be ideal imo rather than picking Jordan or maybe even Finn ahead of Tredwell.

Inclusion of Ballance ahead of Hales is also a false move. Either way, chopping and changing the top order combo right before the WC doesn't do justice to their preparation.

 

[grecian]

In all seriousness do you think England would be a stronger side in the World Cup with or without KP?

Don't know not psychic, but the guy hasn't played anything other than t20 for ayear, so my bet would be no, but my point is I can't be sure.l

Tredwell is the sort of bloke who'd keep things tight in those middle overs 8 out of 10 times and would also chip in with wickets every now and then. He might not walk into most of the other teams but England surely need him. Anderson + Broad + Woakes + Bopara + Tredwell would be ideal imo rather than picking Jordan or maybe even Finn ahead of Tredwell.

Inclusion of Ballance ahead of Hales is also a false move. Either way, chopping and changing the top order combo right before the WC doesn't do justice to their preparation.

Again I wanted Tredwell in, but he would have made little difference defending that total. You are both making my point, of course someone not playing could well have done better than ones that did.

 

[Cabinet96]

In all seriousness do you think England would be a stronger side in the World Cup with or without KP?

Right now I'd probably say without. But it's an awkward one because he's probably a worse player now than he would've been if he was still with the England setup, training intensely etc, and not trying his hand at golf, book writing and being a personality, with a bit of domestic T20 stuff on the side where he hasn't really performed. One thing I will say is since the start of 2009 he averages 30 in ODI cricket. It's genuinely debatable whether he'd still be in the side regardless of off field shenanigans.

 

[Furball]

What's his average like since 2012? IIRC he was getting back into decent ODI form in the last part of his career.

 

[Cabinet96]

Well, Bleed Blue seems he'll be an hoot.

Anyway, I have to say one of the more annoying features of being an England cricket/football fan ATM, is the supposed brilliance of the unpicked player. For once this is not just a dig at KP (even though he plays a part), it's just everything.

The way Carrick would have clearly been the new Zidane if not picked by Hodgson, was pretty memorable recently, along with Ashley Cole not being over the hill, like he'd shown for a while if he'd been picked..

Now we get Tredwell, I've been the biggest advocate of tricky tredders playing for ages, but all of a sudden leaving him out was tantamount to leaving out Murali to some people.

Hales clearly would have done a Chris Gayle style innings, rather than the lurching wreck he looked in Sri Lanka apparently. Stokes because of some half-decent performances in domestic t20 would have somehow shown that he was a world-class player in ODIs.

This isn't a dig at posters on this forum. It's just a general annoyance in fans and media that just want to believe we have the players in these forms to perform magnificently, yet somehow we don't pick them.

It's a ridiculous notion because they can't face the facts we're just not that good, we haven't the players and other countries have better talent, because we're more interested in generating money at the top of our sports than any grass-root investment..

There's a lot of anger in English cricket at the moment. I think it stems from the fact that not that long ago we were actually quite good for English standards, and had had one of the best four year periods we've had in recent decades. Three Ashes series were won, a series in India was won, a draw in SA was achieved. We'd won a T20 world title, we'd got to a 50 over world final. We had players who were braking English cricket records. Suddenly in the last 18 months we've been absolutely gob****e, bar three tests against an India side that randomly capitulated after suffering a couple of bad/unlucky days in the field at Southampton.

It's all gone sour really quickly and fans are angry, they want someone to blame, they want there to be an easy solution they can shout about at the tv and anyone who listens on twitter or comments sections. That's why players like Stokes, Hales, Roy, Carberry etc, who, lets face it, have had up and down domestic careers and limited success at international level, are hailed as the second coming when they're out of the side. Ian Bell can hit 180 and one innings later the selectors are idiots for not playing Hales. Chris Woakes can get 6fer and not get 19 ducks in a row and then one innings in the BBL and "anyone who thinks Woakes is better than Stokes needs to get their head checked".

And then you get the most prominent English twitter personalities who all basically want everyone with any seniority or power in the England cricket team to be lynched in the MCG with 90,000 people cheering it on.

It's a remarkably sorry state of affairs.

 

[Cabinet96]

What's his average like since 2012? IIRC he was getting back into decent ODI form in the last part of his career.

Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

He hit his first centuries in three and a half years then promptly retired. Because, lets remember the bloke wanted to quit ODI's for ages, and basically didn't want to play this world cup. Yet somehow this is always forgotten. He then came back and got a couple of fifties in nine average games.

 

[Dhoni_183*]

Looking forward to seeing Starc, MJ v Dhawan in the one dayers. He seemed to be struggling in the tests as wasn't playing his natural game unlike Warner (then again Warner faced many filth deliveries). In the one day format Dhawan has been doing well recently and been uninhibited - hoping to see more of the same but a bit worried too. Starc could take him flashing outside off to an out swinger.

If Rohit opens, will it be the usual slow approach he takes opening in ODIs, then makes up for it after? That might not work overseas. Rahane is someone who will not let pressure build and will rotate the strike which actually helps Dhawan too.

 

[Furball]

Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

He hit his first centuries in three and a half years then promptly retired. Because, lets remember the bloke wanted to quit ODI's for ages, and basically didn't want to play this world cup. Yet somehow this is always forgotten. He then came back and got a couple of fifties in nine average games.

On his retirement I always interpreted that as KP lashing out in frustration at how he was being managed rather than an admission that he didn't want to play. England's management flogged him into the ground, I can't ever remember a series where KP was rested. A particularly sorry state of affairs when you consider the injury problems that plagued the last 4 or 5 years of his career.

 

[Dhoni_183*]

Moeen Ali looks unconvincing despite some odd performances, he seems way to flashy without being able to back it up consistently. Bit of a test batting line up in the top 4 excluding a flashy Ali.

 

[grecian]

Right now I'd probably say without. But it's an awkward one because he's probably a worse player now than he would've been if he was still with the England setup, training intensely etc, and not trying his hand at golf, book writing and being a personality, with a bit of domestic T20 stuff on the side where he hasn't really performed. One thing I will say is since the start of 2009 he averages 30 in ODI cricket. It's genuinely debatable whether he'd still be in the side regardless of off field shenanigans.

Well yes obviously, but in answer to the question asked, he really has no basis to be picked for any international team ATM.

Again, if he'd actually played lots of 50 overs cricket and scored tons of runs it would all be a different matter. Yet he's had no intention of doing that, he just wants to stir whilst picking up big wage packets.

If he'd wanted to play domestic cricket dozens of first-class teams would have loved him to do so.

 

[test cricketer]

Todays scorecard Ireland 121 england 93

 

[Pothas]

There's a lot of anger in English cricket at the moment. I think it stems from the fact that not that long ago we were actually quite good for English standards, and had had one of the best four year periods we've had in recent decades. Three Ashes series were won, a series in India was won, a draw in SA was achieved. We'd won a T20 world title, we'd got to a 50 over world final. We had players who were braking English cricket records. Suddenly in the last 18 months we've been absolutely gob****e, bar three tests against an India side that randomly capitulated after suffering a couple of bad/unlucky days in the field at Southampton.

It's all gone sour really quickly and fans are angry, they want someone to blame, they want there to be an easy solution they can shout about at the tv and anyone who listens on twitter or comments sections. That's why players like Stokes, Hales, Roy, Carberry etc, who, lets face it, have had up and down domestic careers and limited success at international level, are hailed as the second coming when they're out of the side. Ian Bell can hit 180 and one innings later the selectors are idiots for not playing Hales. Chris Woakes can get 6fer and not get 19 ducks in a row and then one innings in the BBL and "anyone who thinks Woakes is better than Stokes needs to get their head checked".

And then you get the most prominent English twitter personalities who all basically want everyone with any seniority or power in the England cricket team to be lynched in the MCG with 90,000 people cheering it on.

It's a remarkably sorry state of affairs.

The Hales thing is especially ridiculous.

How much is the average fan angry though? I always find it kind of hard to tell with cricket fans, I mean do we really get that angry? I suspect most of it is just media guff. I actually like this England side awful lot more than I have in a while and many on here do as well I think, although that is probably in large part because a lot of us have favourties coming into the side of late. Honestly I find this side (both Test and ODI) are lot more easy to get behind than I did the 2013 winnings ashes side.

 

[grecian]

The Hales thing is especially ridiculous.

How much is the average fan angry though? I always find it kind of hard to tell with cricket fans, I mean do we really get that angry? I suspect most of it is just media guff. I actually like this England side awful lot more than I have in a while and many on here do as well I think, although that is probably in large part because a lot of us have favourties coming into the side of late. Honestly I find this side (both Test and ODI) are lot more easy to get behind than I did the 2013 winnings ashes side.

There was a quote on twitter recently which said something like perhaps the medium shouldn't be judged on the few that get outraged, but on the millions that don't. It's an interesting point. The fact is KP fans feel strongly about his omission, the rest of us just want to move on FFS.

So the comments skew one way.

 

[Cabinet96]

The Hales thing is especially ridiculous.

How much is the average fan angry though? I always find it kind of hard to tell with cricket fans, I mean do we really get that angry? I suspect most of it is just media guff. I actually like this England side awful lot more than I have in a while and many on here do as well I think, although that is probably in large part because a lot of us have favourties coming into the side of late. Honestly I find this side (both Test and ODI) are lot more easy to get behind than I did the 2013 winnings ashes side.

Maybe angry is the wrong word. I think there's a lot of dissatisfaction among many following the Ashes whitewash and KP saga though.

I kind of agree about the England side. Certainly the last three tests of the India series were awesome, but those were also the three games last year where the senior players performed best. I probably don't have the same affiliation with any of the new players, bar Woakes WAG, compared to any of the senior players though. I'm also kind of biased towards them though because they were the ones I grew up with and are responsible for most of my favourite cricketing memories, so seeing the likes of Prior, Cook and co struggling has been pretty grim.

 

[Cabinet96]

But yeah the Hales stuff is ridiculous. I posted that Andrew Miller tweet saying in a parallel universe Hales had been in the ODI side for four years and was basically our Warner. I really hope that wasn't a dig at the selectors for not picking him years ago.

 

[91Jmay]

I'm a big fan of Hales but he has failed every ODI chance he has got. Not even a flash here or there.

Woakes has really developed into a reliable white ball cricketer. I am in love with him, as most know, but even I didn't see that coming. His pace is consistently 140 kph and his areas have really improved.

 

[GIMH]

On his retirement I always interpreted that as KP lashing out in frustration at how he was being managed rather than an admission that he didn't want to play. England's management flogged him into the ground, I can't ever remember a series where KP was rested. A particularly sorry state of affairs when you consider the injury problems that plagued the last 4 or 5 years of his career.

He was rested for an ODI series in 2010 and launched a foul mouthed tirade on twitter in anger at it

He's a ****