***Official*** India and England in Australia ODI Tri-Series 2015

[grecian]

He tried to retire from it, he has consistently has said he finds the format boring,.

What did you think of him saying Morgan wants him in the team the other day? I thought it was awfully selfish and put Morgan in a crap position, so easy to swerve that question but the ego wouldn't allow it.

The only thing I might say about Kevin positive, 2016 the t20 world cup is in India, and that might be something he could be considered for, Few of the current lot have much experience in the IPL or international T20 and he could be useful as an anchor their. I remember Harby bowling to England in Bangladesh world cup in 2012 and it was bleak, Bairstow for one looked completely perplexed at what was happening!

Yes. theres no doubt he's one of the best t20 players in the World, and he actually plays it, which is a plus. Also we have actually won that with him playing a star role.

Believe it or not I wouldn't be against him somehow playing that for England.

 

[Bleed_Blue]

If we're referring to ODI cricket as this thread is he doesn't deserve to be in the team on the basis of his form over the past 5 years.

But to be fair barring their run to the Champions Trophy final in 2013 and the odd ODI series win, England have been a poor side in ODI Cricket if they were winning consistently then leaving out or firing a great player like KP would make sense but the motives behind this seem curious to me.

 

[Bleed_Blue]

Don't get to carried away with his current form. I like the Bash loads as it is good fun, but its not exactly as if he is smashing world class bowling attacks is it? I watched him in the IPL and he was brutal in that and he was even worse for Surrey in England. He didn't exactly rip it up in the West Indies either.

Agreed regarding his form in IPL and in the CPL one thing I will say that I think gets overlooked, is that in firing KP not just dropping him, he became at the centre of a media storm, I honestly believe as strong willed as I believe he is to have every IPL innings scrutinised as some kind of perceived statement towards the ECB took its toll as he couldn't play freely which is when he is at his best.

I get that feeling that having finished his book he has pardon the pun closed that chapter and feels ready to play Cricket without worrying about extra scrutiny and we are seeing that reflected in his BBL performances.

I do to think he's an angel at all but I do think he's an amazing talent who could still do a job for England, but as I have said I say this as an Indian fan.

 

[grecian]

I believe there is a thread about KP, started by Spikey, can't be arsed to find it, actually here 'tis but it really had all the arguments in there, and didn't derail all other threads. He's not picked for this series or in the World Cup squad, so seems pointless dragging on about it in here.

 

[andmark]

Agreed regarding his form in IPL and in the CPL one thing I will say that I think gets overlooked, is that in firing KP not just dropping him, he became at the centre of a media storm, I honestly believe as strong willed as I believe he is to have every IPL innings scrutinised as some kind of perceived statement towards the ECB took its toll as he couldn't play freely which is when he is at his best.

I get that feeling that having finished his book he has pardon the pun closed that chapter and feels ready to play Cricket without worrying about extra scrutiny and we are seeing that reflected in his BBL performances.

I do to think he's an angel at all but I do think he's an amazing talent who could still do a job for England, but as I have said I say this as an Indian fan.

To be honest, I just can't be bothered with all of the baggage that comes with him.

Edit: Will have to look for the thread Grecian is referring to

 

[Swingpanzee]

Ballance has a fractured finger I've heard.

 

[Bleed_Blue]

Looking forward to the game tomorrow interested to see what we do about our opening combination. Rohit after his 264 looks to be in pole position to open with Dhawan, but Dhawan seems to open better with Rahane because Rahane is pretty good at rotating the strike and keeping things ticking over. I am confident that either could do a fantastic job so these are nice problems for the selectors to have.

 

[honestbharani]

There's a lot of anger in English cricket at the moment. I think it stems from the fact that not that long ago we were actually quite good for English standards, and had had one of the best four year periods we've had in recent decades. Three Ashes series were won, a series in India was won, a draw in SA was achieved. We'd won a T20 world title, we'd got to a 50 over world final. We had players who were braking English cricket records. Suddenly in the last 18 months we've been absolutely gob****e, bar three tests against an India side that randomly capitulated after suffering a couple of bad/unlucky days in the field at Southampton.

It's all gone sour really quickly and fans are angry, they want someone to blame, they want there to be an easy solution they can shout about at the tv and anyone who listens on twitter or comments sections. That's why players like Stokes, Hales, Roy, Carberry etc, who, lets face it, have had up and down domestic careers and limited success at international level, are hailed as the second coming when they're out of the side. Ian Bell can hit 180 and one innings later the selectors are idiots for not playing Hales. Chris Woakes can get 6fer and not get 19 ducks in a row and then one innings in the BBL and "anyone who thinks Woakes is better than Stokes needs to get their head checked".

And then you get the most prominent English twitter personalities who all basically want everyone with any seniority or power in the England cricket team to be lynched in the MCG with 90,000 people cheering it on.

It's a remarkably sorry state of affairs.

To be completely honest, your board and management kinda warrant it.. Andy Flower likes to be in the limelight and a bit of a "my way or the highway" type too much to be a good coach for any real length of time.. I mean if cricket can be played and matches won by formula, I would be the best as it For those who think Srinivasan is arrogant, you have to invent a word for Giles Clarke and how he has always had it for KP... I just think the boards around the world and the dickheads that run them deserve the **** being thrown at them and then some...
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[theegyptian]

First time I've seen a Flower likes the limelight argument. Personally I don't think you could be more wrong about that assumption. Have we heard anything from Flower since he was sacked as England coach? Whilst KP was throwing mud Flower has just got on with his job and hasn't lowered himself to that level. He could easily have replied in the newspapers or interviews but no. Did he do anything whilst in the job to bring attention to himself? Not that I can remember. He's currently in SA working quietly with the England lions players but I guess you didn't know that.

ECB have managed a tough situation terribly which has garnered Pietersen undue sympathy. They've also made Cook a figure of hate for the masses.


I'd imagine in PR 101 (if there was such a thing) they'll be using this last year of English cricket as a how not to example in the age of social media. Seriously I imagine sports teams and companies will be looking at how the ECB dealt with everything and learning lessons from it.

 

[honestbharani]

First time I've seen a Flower likes the limelight argument. Personally I don't think you could be more wrong about that assumption. Have we heard anything from Flower since he was sacked as England coach? Whilst KP was throwing mud Flower has just got on with his job and hasn't lowered himself to that level. He could easily have replied in the newspapers or interviews but no. Did he do anything whilst in the job to bring attention to himself? Not that I can remember. He's currently in SA working quietly with the England lions players but I guess you didn't know that.

ECB have managed a tough situation terribly which has garnered Pietersen undue sympathy. They've also made Cook a figure of hate for the masses.


I'd imagine in PR 101 (if there was such a thing) they'll be using this last year of English cricket as a how not to example in the age of social media. Seriously I imagine sports teams and companies will be looking at how the ECB dealt with everything and learning lessons from it.

Dude.. I am in Indian fan who lives for the most part in INdia and I have heard his opinions and interviews so many times... Surely, that's limelight.. He has kept himself off all that now that he is no longer the coach and his sacking only came after his ultimatum of KP never playing for England again. Obviously, any international player would be wary of working with a coach like that after something like that has happened, and hence he went off himself.. And he still holds a prime position in the coaching and ECB hierarchy and I find it very hard to believe that he does not have a say in the selection of the sides for England..


And it is very easy to see why... Every interview he ever gave was about what he thought and how he thinks player A should play etc etc.. Such "by the numbers" management never works even in my office and I have zero respect for such "suits".. KP may or may not have deserved what he got but IMO Andy Flower got away very very lightly... He sucked the fun out of cricket for everyone in that team, it looks like...

 

[Cabinet96]

Think you're miles off the mark on pretty much everything there tbh.

 

[Spark]

The stuff about him being too hard on the players and making the team a somewhat rigid, joyless experience does match what George Dobell etc were saying, but the rest seems bizarre to me. If anything he was getting criticised during last summer for not being public enough and taking some of the heat off Cook.

 

[grecian]

Think you're miles off the mark on pretty much everything there tbh.

Hey come on, it's nice to see someone who credulously believes everything Piers Morgan says on twitter.

 

[Cabinet96]

The stuff about him being too hard on the players and making the team a somewhat rigid, joyless experience does match what George Dobell etc were saying, but the rest seems bizarre to me. If anything he was getting criticised during last summer for not being public enough and taking some of the heat off Cook.

Yeah, I can imagine I probably wouldn't enjoy working under him that much, but I did always find him interesting and insightful in the rare interviews he did so I think talking about him being just by the numbers is a bit harsh.

As for the limelight thing, well, he was the coach of a major cricket side, he had media duties so of course we'd here him. He's never actively seeked the limelight though, which was the Egyptian's point. Saying he still probably holds opinions on selection of the England side is crazy as well.

 

[honestbharani]

I am just stating my opinions here based on what I have read in his interviews and the other stuff... And for the record, I had to google Piers Morgan... I initially thought it had something to do with the current England ODI captain

 

[harsh.ag]

The rigid, joyless thing bit is not too far off the mark though. Even when winning, England hadn't looked quite the happy team Australia and India look (even though we lose). Whether it was down to Flower or KP or something else is anyone's guess. Just think it comes down to the old sentiment of losing sight of why you play the game, and placing more importance on winning than is perhaps warranted or healthy.

 

[akilana]

If we're referring to ODI cricket as this thread is he doesn't deserve to be in the team on the basis of his form over the past 5 years.

it is not like England ODI team is full of quality players. I don't know which batsman deserves to be in it.

 

[Cabinet96]

it is not like England ODI team is full of quality players. I don't know which batsman deserves to be in it.

It's not like Pietersen is a quality player either though. The current lot is the best of an average bunch.

 

[akilana]

It's not like Pietersen is a quality player either though. The current lot is the best of an average bunch.

better than anyone in the England team though

 

[javaperth]

England will bounce back and shaw good cricket, they have talented bunch of all rounder plus batsmen.pieterson was a past he will not return for sure.Ian bell and james taylor will be bounce back vs. india.