Swingpanzee
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Btw Marsh's knock I think was probably as good as Maxwell's - some good, hard hitting.
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***Official*** India and England in Australia ODI Tri-Series 2015
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Adders
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Yeah yeah very good.
I copped some flack for my posts on Maxwells innings last night, but it was telling that he let on during his MOM speech that he basically got a bollocking when he got back in the rooms afterwards. Clearly I'm not the only one that thought he lost his mind once the power play came on and was very fortunate (read lucky) to last as long as he did playing like that.
The thing is it was such a great innings up to that point and he threw away the chance to make a big hundred and see the Aussie innings home. The only reason his lack of intelligence and application didn't cost Australia on the score board is because Faulkner came in and played a blinder.
Can he still bat against bowlers he doesn't crap himself against, or not?
Is James Taylor out of nick (I know he scored 80 odd last time out, but I mean in general form-wise)? I've never seen a worse starter than him in international cricket, and Martin Guptill plays for my team.
If you copped any ****, it's only lady luck that made a fool of you. Maxwell's innings was awful, uncultured rubbish that was saved by a strong eye, some poor bowling and a whole lot of luck. If he'd got out swinging at the start of the powerplay, I reckon you might've seen the first instance of a coach being suspended for knocking out a player.
No doubt his bowling adds a bit and his fielding is A+ (how much does he look like Ponting in every respect) but he is a dead-set gormless batsman. The commentators try and call him 'unselfish' which is laughable. Faulkner is a very smart hitter, Maxwell is even more talented but has a scattergun approach and can be as dumb as they come. Great player when in form and his eye is in, awful as we've seen of late and when he had to use his noggin in Test cricket.
Yeah look here, it's the powerplay and Australia has Faulkner, haddin, Johnson and starc left in the wings, not to mention Mitch marsh was batting beautifully alongside him. He was absolutely right in going for it.
His method might seem pretty terrible as it usually does but other than one top edged pull off Anderson that nearly went to the fielder I wouldn't call anything by him just dumb luck. Did you see that scoop drive where he dug out something that could have been a yorker outside off stump for 4? Ridiculous wrist work. Also the reason woakes bowled so terribly was partly because maxwell did pretty well in confusing him using the crease.
Also ended up giving Australia a score that was way above par anyway.
His method might seem pretty terrible as it usually does but other than one top edged pull off Anderson that nearly went to the fielder I wouldn't call anything by him just dumb luck. Did you see that scoop drive where he dug out something that could have been a yorker outside off stump for 4? Ridiculous wrist work. Also the reason woakes bowled so terribly was partly because maxwell did pretty well in confusing him using the crease.
Also ended up giving Australia a score that was way above par anyway.
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Yeah, some days it's your day that is true. The way he batted yesterday isn't a recipe for any manner of consistency, however - which is why he ends up being so maligned and someone with a much more methodical approach like Faulkner is 'the closer'
You're right, what he does puts a real doubt in bowlers' mind as to where to go, what fields to set etc. I think the thing that has Lehmann tearing his nose hairs out (absent of any others) is the low percentage of what Maxwell tries to do. He probably thinks he might get one performance at the World Cup the way he goes about it, which isn't great from a #5 who has that level of ability. Fortunately he has other very strong strings to his bow.
the big bambino
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Don't worry if it happens you can write it off as downhill skiing.
the big bambino
Cricketer Of The Year
Tbf our fast bowling was always brewing and now is starting to boil. Our batting has lagged an awful way behind. However since Smith's great run we have only been a returning Michael Clarke from looking solid in that department in tests and odis. For the WC Bailey looks the weak link and if we could swap him for S Marsh (who's gun in ltd overs) and Clarke stays fit then quite amazingly Oz looks strong throughout the order.
Contra
Cricketer Of The Year
LOL people criticizing Maxwell clearly don't understand his approach to the game. Maxwell's natural game is to go after the bowling regardless of the match situation every single time. Now he's not completely mindless and he showed that he can apply himself until he feels its safe to play his preferred style, but for the most part he is a guy who will go for it from ball one. Australia need to realize and accept this fact and then decide whether they want to play him or not, if they try to convert him into a more sensible or safer batsmen it's going to go terribly wrong.
If he ends up getting getting out for a first ball duck in a knockout match playing an outrageous shot then so be it, because its the same approach that can get him 100 off 50.
If he ends up getting getting out for a first ball duck in a knockout match playing an outrageous shot then so be it, because its the same approach that can get him 100 off 50.
He showed that he could at least apply himself when the going gets tough and unleash his riskier shots when he has established a more solid base for australia, which is honestly what I hope for him to do until he learns to pace himself more. Learning to read the match situation and all that. He's honestly good enough to go at near a run a ball playing conventionally. If he learns to establish himself first instead of teeing off on ball one he could be a really consistent hitter for australia, because he can accelerate for sure.
Also I dunno about faulkner being more methodical, it's just that his hand-eye and timing is so good that he can regularly slog the ball to cow corner. He certainly knows how to pace an innings better than maxwell though.
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hendrix
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Yeah it's bloody annoying. Starc proving that his record is no fluke just pisses me off. The batting collapse against Australia seemed to be a thing of the past but now even good lineups like India (yeah i still rate their batting) means that even consistent teams can't rely on a par score And then bowling well.
Batsmen are going to have to genuinely bat well to get a score.
the big bambino
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I've gone from thinking we were a forlorn long shot to now worrying that we are just about favourites. Is there ever a happy headspace for a fan?
Maxwell can get 'it's the way I play' tattooed on his forehead for all it matters. The way you're talking, he produces enough to forgive the dead-**** shots when his side is in trouble, the poor options, the lack of desire to rotate strike etc. He doesn't. He averaged 25.33 in 2014, boosted by 94 v Zimbabwe. Going after the bowling regardless of situation is the dumbest approach to batting you can ever conceive. It would only be allowable to the freaks like Sehwag, Gayle etc. Maxwell ain't that.
Apparently he got a bollocking from the coach yesterday..so even the Australian coach doesn't get him like you do. I know who I'd rather have in an ally between Contra and D.Lehmann.
I'm not at all suggesting he should be turned into Chris Rogers, but the one-pace approach to batting ain't gonna cut it without a massive weight of runs.
Contra
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You're missing the point, if Lehmann feels that Maxwell can't be throwing his wicket away or playing shots everyball then he needs to discuss with the selectors and captain to DROP HIM. You can't criticize a player for playing in a particular manner yet still ask for the kind of performances Maxwell is capable of if he plays to his potential. I'm not suggesting Maxwell is going to be the next Ab Devilliers, I'm not making a call on how successful or unsuccessful his career will be, but the point is that if you want Maxwell in the side then you have to be willing to live with how he plays and what he offers. You can't have your cake and eat it too, which is what Lehmann seems to be trying to do with Maxwell. Also Gayle and Sehwag didn't start out as "freaks", it was through their performances over a period of time that they gained their respective reputations. When Sehwag use to play for India the fans and the team knew he would only play one way, and the team and fans were mostly okay with it, sure you'd curse him every now and then out of frustration but then that's the call you've made and you gotta live with it.
Perhaps that's exactly what they'll do. I respect what you're saying, but if Maxwell decides his approach to batting is like one of his buttcheeks - you can't take him without it - then that's going to be to the detriment of his international career (probably not in a hired gun T20 sense).
At the moment, Glenn Maxwell is not a guy who will average 35-40 at #5 in ODIs. Glenn Maxwell is not a Test player's a-hole, at #3 or 6. He says he wants to play long form cricket for Australia and I'm certain he wants to play 50-over cricket. So he ain't playing Test cricket unless he significantly overhauls his game. And he leaves himself vulnerable at #5 if he doesn't change his ODI approach. What if the next gun comes in, like a Hussey, an early career Bailey etc? Then Maxy is vulnerable. They'll want his ridiculous fielding skills and ability with the ball, but they won't live with it if he's not producing with the bat - no way will they at #5.
Lehmann probably believes like me, that Maxwell can be effective AND tone down what he's doing. Just like Warner was asked to find a slightly different way - he became more consistent and lost not a considerable amount of his firepower. Problem is, Maxwell isn't as talented as Warner and probably won't get the same selectorial rope.
So yeah, he can take your approach and leave a lot in the tank in terms of what he could achieve for Australia, but make a motza in the IPL etc. Hey, good luck to him - I don't begrudge any cricket anything in that respect. But if he wants to make more of a mark for Australia, me (and it seems like Lehmann) want him to mould himself. That's what great sportsmen do - they grow, they learn, they change, they improve, they get the best out of themselves.