***Official*** India and England in Australia ODI Tri-Series 2015

[dermo]

nah more than that, the pitch is decent

 

[Spark]

traditional post-ab medal loss then

 

[Cabinet96]

Fair enough. My original comment was less about me and more about Woakes but I stand by what I said.

I should clarify my response was more to do with your assessment of Woakes than yourself as well. He's had a bad day against two really good, really inform batsman, but you don't dominate county cricket and play for England by bowling random length and being easy to lean into.

 

[Zinzan]

So is this a good thing for the Australian middle-order in be under some proper pressure prior to the WC?

 

[viriya]

The Aus batting line-up doesn't look so strong all of a sudden.. I don't see the lower order bailing them out.. Don't see Maxwell playing a consolidating innings.

Also - James Anderson might just be the best ODI bowler going around atm.

 

[Zinzan]

nah more than that, the pitch is decent

Against the Indian attack, you'd want 270-280, but 240 would be competitive enough when you have the likes of Starc, Johnson & co.

 

[ajdude]

friggin healy before saying maxwell was struggling on 4 off 17 and that he needs to pick it up. his main criticism is that he doesn't give himself time to get in and then plays stupid shots, i mean ffs if anyone has the ability to make up the strike rate as the innings goes on it's him

 

[Spark]

I should clarify my response was more to do with your assessment of Woakes than yourself as well. He's had a bad day against two really good, really inform batsman, but you don't dominate county cricket and play for England by bowling random length and being easy to lean into.

idk he's been sort of like this every time i've watched him bowl at int'l level. even when he's got wickets it's sort of been... at random. he's competent, but he just doesn't look particularly brilliant to me.

 

[Goughy]

I should clarify my response was more to do with your assessment of Woakes than yourself as well. He's had a bad day against two really good, really inform batsman, but you don't dominate county cricket and play for England by bowling random length and being easy to lean into.

But he doesnt dominate - as has been mentioned everywhere many times - county cricket in limited overs cricket. What he offers with the red ball is different and I make no comment about that.

 

[Zinzan]

]The Aus batting line-up doesn't look so strong all of a sudden.[/B]. I don't see the lower order bailing them out.. Don't see Maxwell playing a consolidating innings.

Also - James Anderson might just be the best ODI bowler going around atm.

Not if you replace Finch with Watson & Clarke for either Marsh or Maxwell ...that gives it a significantly stronger look for me.

 

[viriya]

Against the Indian attack, you'd want 270-280, but 240 would be competitive enough when you have the likes of Starc, Johnson & co.

I don't think anything under 250 will be competitive enough.. Johnson is great but he hasn't played for a bit so I expect him to take some time to get into his rhythm..

 

[viriya]

idk he's been sort of like this every time i've watched him bowl at int'l level. even when he's got wickets it's sort of been... at random. he's competent, but he just doesn't look particularly brilliant to me.

I got the same feeling in the Eng vs SL series.. he got a 5-fer but with 3 in his final over which didn't have much to do with his bowling..

 

[Cabinet96]

But he doesnt dominate - as has been mentioned everywhere many times - county cricket in limited overs cricket. What he offers with the red ball is different and I make no comment about that.

Fine. But I think Grecian's point was more that he's gone from absolutely horrific in international limited overs cricket to a secured first teamer (which he is) over the last year or so, which warrants praise, rather than that he was any kind of world beater. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on his quality though.

 

[viriya]

Feel like you need 275 on this pitch - fast outfield too.

 

[Goughy]

Fine. But I think Grecian's point was more that he's gone from absolutely horrific in international limited overs cricket to a secured first teamer (which he is) over the last year or so, which warrants praise, rather than that he was any kind of world beater. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on his quality though.

Fair enough. I can agree to disagree. It is perfectly OK for reasonable minds to differ. I personally dont think he should be close to being a secured first teamer - he is a poor white ball bowler - but then again I dont particularly care about ODIs so I shall not lose sleep over his selection.

 

[viriya]

Damn Mitchell Starc averages 32.40... is he actually that good? Insane that he's coming in at #9.. I guess I underestimated how all-roundy the Aussie line-up is. They should get 250 easy.

 

[Spark]

Damn Mitchell Starc averages 32.40... is he actually that good? Insane that he's coming in at #9.. I guess I underestimated how all-roundy the Aussie line-up is. They should get 250 easy.

he's definitely a good lower order hitter but ODI averages get more and more sketchy the lower down the order you get

 

[brockley]

Zinzan i think its good the middle order is being tested.
But truely Smith captain for first one dayer and get Bailey the hell out.

 

[viriya]

he's definitely a good lower order hitter but ODI averages get more and more sketchy the lower down the order you get

Yes but still, 20-25 I can understand.. even with the small sample size 32 is a little crazy. He averages 30 in Test cricket and List A as well so I don't think it's all just not outs.

 

[Cabinet96]

idk he's been sort of like this every time i've watched him bowl at int'l level. even when he's got wickets it's sort of been... at random. he's competent, but he just doesn't look particularly brilliant to me.

Disagree tbh. For a start I disagree on him feeling considerably slower than the speed gun suggests. He's not your stereotypical heavy ball bowler, but he's strong and hits the pitch pretty hard these days. I don't think any of the other England bowlers have actually looked faster than him. I mean, the other day for instance, his issue wasn't being too easy paced, it's that he bowled too short and got milked for singles square of the wicket (like the fourth ball of the 27th over just there). And he's definitely been a lot better with his lengths over the last few months than he has been the last three days.

I got the same feeling in the Eng vs SL series.. he got a 5-fer but with 3 in his final over which didn't have much to do with his bowling..

Meh. How do you want him to get wickets in the death?