*Official* First Test (Edgbaston, Birmingham) 16–20 June

[Gnske]

So good to see famed racist Ollie Robinson-Farage getting literally **** on from every corner of the world

 

[CartyDurham]

If they had done that they wouldn't have had to bat as long in the second innings. You know that all else being equal they would have gotten a massive first innings lead in that case right?

In fact they almost certainly have more time to bowl Australia out because they can go absolutely bonkers in the 3rd innings with zero regard for their wicket at all. If they start out with a first innings lead of, say, 150, then Stokes would quite happily tell his batsmen that they have a session to put on 250 and go for their lives. In that case the 30 plus overs they save in the second innings compensates more than enough for the time they spent batting in the first.

Also this consistent line of posting you've made with the bolded is intellectually dishonest. It's not that hard to be consistent about these things if you aren't completely a slave to outcomes and can analyse things honestly according to the information available at the time. Just as the fact that there's been a result doesn't change my view that the pitch was ****house, nor would have a different result changed the vast majority of people's views here that the declaration sucked. Sometimes you just get lucky, sometimes other factors outweigh the error.

Spark. I know all of this and I’ve posted several times I totally accept

I’m also allowed to say that chances were not taken, that did happen and then to say if they had been taken , the result could have been very different

why can no one understand that and accept that ?

 

[the big bambino]

Would you say all this if England had won ?

Carty, Australia has screwed up many a time so I would have complained long before now even if England won.

 

[CartyDurham]

So good to see famed racist Ollie Robinson-Farage getting literally **** on from every corner of the world

Totally agree I hate the farage character and all his methods immensely

 

[Socerer 01]

the declaration would have still been stupid if England won, it just would have been brushed under the rug until the next time Stokes did something like that and they lost

 

[Daemon]

me me me me me look at me me me

Bro take a breather, you’ve made like 1.5k posts in 5 days

 

[Molehill]

Both teams made mistakes which most likely cancelled each other out.

The other key moment for me was the 5 mins when Carey was dropped by Bairstow off Root and then the Broad no ball. If those 2 go down Aus are 270-7 and probably looking at a 100 run deficit.

I've not done the numbers, but I suspect the England drops cost quite a few more. Brook was dropped by Head, but shortly after managed to get bowled off thigh and back!! But **** like this happens and it's not worth moaning over, stupid declarations are!!

 

[CartyDurham]

Carty, Australia has screwed up many a time so I would have complained long before now even if England won.

Cheers. That’s all here. Everyone is 1000000% correct about the declaration and I’m in that group

all my points are about England blowing so many chances, that if half were taken, the declaration would have been irrelevant

that’s all I’ve been saying but it’s brought me a whole heap of quotes and name calling

I did love the “intellectually dishonest” line


that tickled me

 

[CartyDurham]

Bro take a breather, you’ve made like 1.5k posts in 5 days

I’m being quoted. Should I ignore everyone ? Is it not courtesy to reply?

if I’m not quoted or tagged, I would not need to post ?

is that fair ?

 

[Socerer 01]

Cheers. That’s all here. Everyone is 1000000% correct about the declaration and I’m in that group

all my points are about England blowing so many chances, that if half were taken, the declaration would have been irrelevant

that’s all I’ve been saying but it’s brought me a whole heap of quotes and name calling

I did love the “intellectually dishonest” line


that tickled me

no it hasn't, you're the one doing that

 

[CartyDurham]

The other key moment for me was the 5 mins when Carey was dropped by Bairstow off Root and then the Broad no ball. If those 2 go down Aus are 270-7 and probably looking at a 100 run deficit.

I've not done the numbers, but I suspect the England drops cost quite a few more. Brook was dropped by Head, but shortly after managed to get bowled off thigh and back!! But **** like this happens and it's not worth moaning over, stupid declarations are!!

And I’m all with you on the declaration. But it appears to be missed and the rest ignored

 

[Socerer 01]

I’m being quoted. Should I ignore everyone ? Is it not courtesy to reply?

if I’m not quoted or tagged, I would not need to post ?

is that fair ?

also ye you don't have to reply to every post that quotes you

 

[CartyDurham]

no it hasn't, you're the one doing that

Name calling

intellectually dishonest

what is that then?

I’ve had hundreds of alerts during this thread and likes

 

[CartyDurham]

also ye you don't have to reply to every post that quotes you

I do know this but I like to be nice to others if they quote me by replying

I think that’s being nice

 

[CartyDurham]

Right please I 1000000% agree the declaration was proved to be wrong

that’s clear but it’s also clear to accept England made and dropped chances and in another game they may have been taken and England would be 1-0

is that fair ?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Bro take a breather, you’ve made like 1.5k posts in 5 days

Baz posting.

(Not to be confused with BazBall21 or Bahnz posting).

 

[Daemon]

Right please I 1000000% agree the declaration was proved to be wrong

that’s clear but it’s also clear to accept England made and dropped chances and in another game they may have been taken and England would be 1-0

is that fair ?

Yes

 

[CartyDurham]

Yes

Good

 

[Molehill]

I see both teams have got a 40% fine and 1 minus point for slow over rates.

Meanwhile, Root up to Number 1 in the rankings. Labuschagne 3, Head 4, Smith 6 and Khawaja up to 7. That's got to be the lowest Smith has been in a long time.

 

[Nintendo]

I don't get why everyone thinks the declaration cost England so much. A) the game plays out completely differently if England don't declare. If everything goes the sane and England don't declare, then England miss the 30 runs they got from the openers in the 3rd dig before we got taken off for rain. Now the openers have to start there innings on zilch vs a new rock under the same conditions.

In those conditions with a 10 over old ball and momentum back in their corner England lost two wickets. If you give Cummins and co a shiny, brand new rock there England could easily end up 3 or 4 down for **** all instead of 2/40 at the end of the day.

You wanna know what was completely within the managments control and cost them 140 runs, bare minimum? Picking a half assed keeper who dropped 2 catches and missed a stumping in the 1st dig, abd dropped usman on 1 in the 2nd dig. They picked bairstow over foakes because bairstow is one of their best bats and they deemed him better, but they easily could have dropped Crawley, who's one of the worst openers to get as many innings as he has in the 150 year history of the sport, and played both foakes and bairstow.

All that said, we don't know what would happen if Crawley doesn't play and England shuffle their batting lineup. England are 10--3 under bazball, and two of those losses are a 2 wicket loss to the best side in the world while down a bowler, and a 1 run lost that England would have won/tied had the umpires not incorrectly called an obvious wide.