*Official* First Test at Trent Bridge

[Jono]

Also good to see the teachings of Andrew Symonds are still alive and well:

 

[Ruckus]

The bad thing about this test is if we don't win (which really doesn't look likely now, although crazy things happen #Agar), I think the bowlers have actually done, by and large, a really good job as a group. I've been really surprised by how tight they have bowled for large periods of the second innings, and I definitely wouldn't have picked that given the individual bowlers. Still feel the result in this match is gonna be so crucial to the series as well.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Regarding people raging at broad for not walking and comparing it to Ramdin's claimed catch - when you stand your ground as a batsman you're being passive. You're letting the umpire make a decision because you're not sure. When you claim a catch which you obviously know you dropped then you're taking power from the umpire and actively making a decision for him, which isn't a done thing. That's the distinction imo.

Passive/active also isn't a valid distinction IMO, though this gets into a fairly long philosophical debate and would be a bit of a derail.

 

[Burgey]

Great to see Burgey's boy Ian Bell do well.

Yeah fair play to him, he batted great from what I saw of it. Was fortunate to fall asleep for most of his knock or I'd be in the worst mood ever.

 

[Adders]

Stuart broad is an absolute tosser of monumental proportions, and dar is having a nightmare, but at the end of the day this is really clarke's fault for being so reckless with his reviews.

Hmmmmm, are you saying Broad is a tosser for not walking or do you just think he's a tosser??

You're entitled to your opinion on him but it is crazy talk if you are basing it on him not walking.

And I reckon Dar has had an excellent game, this one howler aside........or have I missed something??

 

[Ruckus]

Have always just thought broad is a tosser. Might have been a bit harsh on dar, but that decision was an absolute shocker anyway.

 

[Uppercut]

This isn't a good reason. Everyone else doing it is such a bad reason for doing anything.



Yes it does. There's been an arbitrary consensus for many viewpoints (still is for some viewpoints) which we in the modern western world would find wrong or abhorrent. Why is this any different? An "arbitrary consensus" is never satisfactory on its own.

I don't have any particular problem with what Broad did ftr but I too don't see a moral difference between Broad and Ramdin.

Yeah I mean I'd agree if it was anything important. I do sort of agree even now. But sport is just something we do for fun and the rules are only there for the players and fans to make up as we go along. They really don't need to be underpinned by an internally consistent moral philosophy. If we almost all agree that one thing should be accepted and another not, then so be it.

But my main point was that it's being obtuse to accuse Chris Broad of double standards or favouritism. It's not like he's unique in thinking claiming a dropped catch is worse.

 

[Briony]

Never liked Broad; like him even less now. Imagine Bay 13 or the remnants of it will be waiting for him this summer.

 

[Tangles]

Not walking is not helpful to the umpire. Claiming a dropped catch is lieing to them. A world of difference.

 

[tooextracool]

Surprised at the praise in here for Agar's bowling - cant take anything away from his batting. He looked tidy and functional but not particularly threatening. He didnt do anything wrong, with the possible exception of going over to Bell, but he didnt do anything interesting either.

Which still makes him the best spinner since Shane Warne.

I'm not particularly high on him, his seam position is awful but ultimately he has 3 things on his side - 1) age 2) being left-handed 3) the ability to bat. All of these things make him the Australian equivalent of Nicky Boje, but also means that he is likely to get an extended run in the Australian side and insert himself into the petri dish that will hopefully allow him to grow.

 

[The Battlers Prince]

Which still makes him the best spinner since Shane Warne.

I'm not particularly high on him, his seam position is awful but ultimately he has 3 things on his side - 1) age 2) being left-handed 3) the ability to bat. All of these things make him the Australian equivalent of Nicky Boje, but also means that he is likely to get an extended run in the Australian side and insert himself into the petri dish that will hopefully allow him to grow.

Best since Warne. He may be, may not. I hope this argument doesn't continue on forever, though I'm sure it hasn't finished yet. I definitely agree though in that Agar has many things going for him. I've been impressed by his good deliveries all test, even first innings. His bowling will continue to become better as his nerves don't interfere. Great maiden test for a 19 year old.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Passive/active also isn't a valid distinction IMO, though this gets into a fairly long philosophical debate and would be a bit of a derail.

Not walking is not helpful to the umpire. Claiming a dropped catch is lieing to them. A world of difference.

^that's the distinction

 

[tooextracool]

This isn't a good reason. Everyone else doing it is such a bad reason for doing anything.



Yes it does. There's been an arbitrary consensus for many viewpoints (still is for some viewpoints) which we in the modern western world would find wrong or abhorrent. Why is this any different? An "arbitrary consensus" is never satisfactory on its own.

I don't have any particular problem with what Broad did ftr but I too don't see a moral difference between Broad and Ramdin.

I'm fairly certain that since the dawn of time, cricket has been played with the following implicit rule - batsman is out if fielder claims to have caught the ball. Even with the advent of technology and slow motion replays, this principle has not changed because the fielder is still the only person capable of adjudicating whether or not he has taken a catch. Of course, there are situations these days where batsmen challenge fielders on whether they have actually taken a catch cleanly or not, and we are not going to get into the debate of whether that is right or wrong, but the reality is that in 'claiming a catch', this is one place in cricket where the spirit of the game is generally still upheld and the umpire is not responsible for making this decision. The umpire is charged with making the decision about whether a batsman nicked the ball however.

 

[The Battlers Prince]

I'm fairly certain that since the dawn of time, cricket has been played with the following implicit rule - batsman is out if fielder claims to have caught the ball. Even with the advent of technology and slow motion replays, this principle has not changed because the fielder is still the only person capable of adjudicating whether or not he has taken a catch. Of course, there are situations these days where batsmen challenge fielders on whether they have actually taken a catch cleanly or not, and we are not going to get into the debate of whether that is right or wrong, but the reality is that in 'claiming a catch', this is one place in cricket where the spirit of the game is generally still upheld and the umpire is not responsible for making this decision. The umpire is charged with making the decision about whether a batsman nicked the ball however.

That's interesting, I've never heard that before as an old "gentleman's' rule, I thought the main and one was benefit of the doubt goes with the batsmen.

 

[Spark]

Super classy presser from Siddle. Really, really good attitude.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah it was very impressive.

 

[Spark]

Anyway, it's hard to be too annoyed/disappointed at the state of the game. I actually reckon we bowled really well apart from that bit with the new ball, but this pitch is dead for seamers.

 

[Burgey]

Yep. Don't really think they could have done much more tbh. The attack is developing pretty well. Could easily have lost their rag like they did against SA in Perth but the discipline was excellent.

 

[morgieb]

It's good news for us I reckon. This series WILL be close. We look way more disciplined than we sometimes have been.

 

[Goughy]

The first Test in 10/11 got 6066 posts. Will there be more in here before the end of this Test?