*Official* First Test at the Gabba

[GotSpin]

The best case scenario for us would be if England made a few centuries (in vain), but we still achieve a tight win. If we skittle their batsmen for a small total, I imagine they will bounce back very strongly in the next match.

What? I don't want any poms getting into form by hitting centuries. The best outcome is that we roll them for 55 odd...win by an innings, and the usual English losing attitude kicks back in

 

[Ruckus]

What? I don't want any poms getting into form by hitting centuries. The best outcome is that we roll them for 55 odd...win by an innings, and the usual English losing attitude kicks back in

I don't think form is an issue for any of them really. Most of their key batsmen already hit centuries in the tour games. If they make some centuries in vain now, it would probably be less likely the same batsmen will make centuries in the next (match) innings. The more centuries to a losing cause the better imo.

 

[GotSpin]

Nah they need to be crushed and taught a lesson at the fortress da gabba

 

[Ruckus]

Nah they need to be crushed and taught a lesson at the fortress da gabba

Yeah, but think about if - if some of their batsmen score centuries, and the team still loses then their morale will be even lower. They will have the mentality that despite playing well they still lost, just like Australia in Mohali.

 

[TumTum]

The best case scenario for us would be if England made a few centuries (in vain), but we still achieve a tight win. If we skittle their batsmen for a small total, I imagine they will bounce back very strongly in the next match.

that's weak

 

[GIMH]

I can see both sides but we do tend to bounce back well from humiliation. Don't think that losing mentality really sets in anymore.

 

[Bun]

England and it's overrated shags brought down to reality is always a sight.

 

[robelinda]

England were thrashed in 06 at the gabba, and bounced back really strongly in the 2nd test back then, and really souldve held on for a boring draw. against any other side that didnt have Warne they'd have done it easily and gone to Perth 1-0 down. This time, no Warne, so look out Adelaide.

 

[Ruckus]

I think you just have to accept that over a series a batsmen will average a certain amount, and if a lot of the runs they make are in losing causes, then it is more likely they will fail in the other matches.

 

[vcs]

The best case scenario for us would be if England made a few centuries (in vain), but we still achieve a tight win. If we skittle their batsmen for a small total, I imagine they will bounce back very strongly in the next match.

I think you just have to accept that over a series a batsmen will average a certain amount, and if a lot of the runs they make are in losing causes, then it is more likely they will fail in the other matches.

LOL, don't agree with that at all. Grind them into the ground and you have a much better chance of exposing mental scars and fragilities which could cost them all series long.

 

[fredfertang]

Didn't happen after Headingley in 2009

 

[vcs]

True, but it would be nonsensical to argue that Australia would have had a better chance of winning at the Oval had they only beaten England in Headingley by, say 7 wickets, instead of with an innings to spare.

 

[Castrol]

We need Stauss to pull something out of the bag. After his pathetic performance in the 1st innings he owes the team at least 100. A solid base from the two openers will give the rest confidence and less pressure will be put on their soldiers.
You would thinnk a minimum score would be 450 odd to be able to get a win. Their batsmen will be full of confidence an will no doubt will look for big scores again.
Through these times of trouble we have to think, what would danny wilson do?

 

[Jono]

Oh dear England, not your day at all.

 

[fredfertang]

True, but it would be nonsensical to argue that Australia would have had a better chance of winning at the Oval had they only beaten England in Headingley by, say 7 wickets, instead of with an innings to spare.

Indeed - I do agree with you - I'm sure Ponting would like to hammer England rather than just beat them

 

[robelinda]

Richie Richardson did in an ODI at the MCG in the early 80s.

It was back when the pitch was crazy low and slow. He went to pull one.. Hit him on the ankle in front of middle. He just walked off. See it sometimes on World Series classics. Piss funny tbh.

Just to show we aint talking garbage, I dug up some old WI matches and uploaded the lbw in question!

YouTube - Richie Richardson walks on an LBW vs Australia, 1984 MCG Rodney Hogg

 

[pasag]

LOL, don't agree with that at all. Grind them into the ground and you have a much better chance of exposing mental scars and fragilities which could cost them all series long.

Nah, I think you have to do it twice for that to take effect. Otherwise it's pretty easy to write this Test off mentally as something that just happens and if you grind them into the ground next Test as well it's not like they'll have much chance at winning the series anyways at 2-0, so it's a bit of a moot point.

 

[Ruckus]

True, but it would be nonsensical to argue that Australia would have had a better chance of winning at the Oval had they only beaten England in Headingley by, say 7 wickets, instead of with an innings to spare.

It's not nonsensical at all to suggest that a batsmen will likely average less in other matches if he has scored heavily in losing causes. If you deny that, then you are essentially saying their batting average counts for nothing.

 

[pasag]

It's not nonsensical at all to suggest that a batsmen will likely average less in other matches if he has scored heavily in losing causes. If you deny that, then you are essentially saying their batting average counts for nothing.

Are you saying batsmen have a quota of runs and once they hit that they stop scoring?

 

[Ruckus]

Are you saying batsmen have a quota of runs and once they hit that they stop scoring?

No it's not as clear cut as that, people aren't machines. It is simply more likely that will occur. Sometimes players can have awesome series' where they average far beyond their career average.