*Official* Fifth Test (The Oval, London) 27-31 July

[silentstriker]

I think because the off bail was broken early, it's no longer "live" - only the leg bail counts and it definitely didn't fall until after Smith was already in. But I wasn't aware you could distinguish between the two bails like so?

I don't envy the umpires in this case to be fair. This is one of the most technically complex decisions I've seen.

I don't think that counts as a bail being broken. The laws state the bail has to be removed completely for it to be off. Since it wasn't, the other side of the bail coming off would count as the moment where the bail was off. As long as Bairstow had the ball in his band when the other side of the bail was off (e.g completely broken), it would have counted. But the other side of the bail didn't come off in time.

 

[Spark]

Right, I see what he meant now. Although for the one bail to be off (i.e. the one Bairstow knocked off), it would need to be completely dislodged I think


29.2.2 The disturbance of a bail, whether temporary or not, shall not constitute its complete removal from the top of the stumps, but if a bail in falling lodges between two of the stumps this shall be regarded as complete removal.

But if the disturbance started before the ball was in the gloves, but it completes after the ball is in the gloves, then does it still count as being disturbed by the keeper without the ball? I genuinely have no idea

 

[quincywagstaff]

Just wonder how that run out would've been viewed with bails that light up?

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

Mate, I'm English and no fan of Smith as such but he's a fantastic player with a fantastic record.

To say you'd only put him in the top 20 or 30 - well thats ridiculous

Yeah fair play your opinion is as bad as mine

 

[Shri]

new ball available

 

[silentstriker]

But if the disturbance started before the ball was in the gloves, but it completes after the ball is in the gloves, then does it still count as being disturbed by the keeper without the ball? I genuinely have no idea

Per my reading of the laws, disturbance is not constitute removal so it doesn't matter. It is purely the moment when it is completely displaced.

29.2.2

The disturbance of a bail, whether temporary or not, shall not constitute its complete removal from the top of the stumps, but if a bail in falling lodges between two of the stumps this shall be regarded as complete removal.

 

[91Jmay]

Right, I see what he meant now. Although for the one bail to be off (i.e. the one Bairstow knocked off), it would need to be completely dislodged I think


29.2.2 The disturbance of a bail, whether temporary or not, shall not constitute its complete removal from the top of the stumps, but if a bail in falling lodges between two of the stumps this shall be regarded as complete removal.

Yeah if I am understanding it correctly - the fact that it wasn't totally dislodged meant Bairstow's contact didn't matter (guessing because it is the same law as a bail coming out of the groove for everything else) but he just wasn't sure that Bairstow broke it before Smith grounded it.

Sensational dive from Smith

 

[loterry1994]

Just wonder how that run out would've been viewed with bails that light up?

Yeah if zing bails on you wouldn’t even have to think about giving that out

 

[honestbharani]

I think it was out.

 

[Shri]

Bineal: "You can see why Ricky Ponting was so upset about the Gary Pratt run out. I can't imagine Jimmy Anderson having effected that kind of fielding if he'd been out there instead of the substitute, or even Mark Wood after a day of fielding and a few spells under their belts. "

yeah ponting's right. eng have been cheating by "playing" clouderson in tests for years now

 

[91Jmay]

He's nailed on to ton up now though and get them a lead.

 

[Daemon]

I think it was out.

well that settles it then

 

[G. S. Kohli]

Second new ball has been taken
30 more i guess

283
235

Sometime you beaten in 1st innings but win 5 day games, happen many times.

 

[Anil]

Bairstow giving Australia a helping hand again?!

 

[KungFu_Kallis]

Someone needs to do a Stokes for this game to come alive again

 

[honestbharani]

well that settles it then

It obviously should.

 

[Shri]

given the expected rain, will england collapse going for quick runs

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

well that settles it then

I've checked HB's working and I can confirm that his conclusion was correct.

 

[91Jmay]

The bat bouncing law change is such a good one, was one of the most ridiculously unfair things ever. Do a full length dive, ground your bat and then make sure it doesn't slightly ride up as you crash onto the rock hard wicket

 

[ashley bach]

tf when i got on the train we were 2-100 odd what the heck happened

Punishment for taking the train.