*Official* Fifth Test (The Oval, London) 27-31 July

[Adorable Asshole]

Thank **** that we have DRS now. Can't imagine what could actually happen if these blokes were allowed to umpire games the old way

There is a theory that DRS has worsened umpiring because umpire rely to much on technology so they don't hone their umpiring skills.

 

[Molehill]

There is a theory that DRS has worsened umpiring because umpire rely to much on technology and don't care if they give a wrong decision.

You'd think it would improve it - the fear of being publicly proved wrong so often ought to prey on your mind - clearly not Wilson!!

 

[Son Of Coco]

Can't help thinking this has been blown out of all proportion, a mountain out of a molehill if you will!! It's pretty clear that many of those players are good buddies having played so much together around the world. It seems the fella who broke it was clearly after clickbait/more followers.

Yeah probably. If they met up later anyway, something must have been sorted out.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Most runs by a Visiting batsman at The Oval: Smith overtaking Bradman


Smith
Matches: 5
Innings: 9
Not Outs: 1
Runs: 671
Average: 83.87
50s: 3
100s: 3
Highest Score: 143

Bradman
Matches: 4
Innings: 4
Not Outs: 0
Runs: 553
Average: 138.25
50s: 1
100s: 2
Highest Score: 244

 

[Spark]

So Aus have been docked 10 and England 19 (!!!) WTC points.

Can we scrap this entire embarrassing farce of a competition until they can come up a scoring system that's even vaguely reasonable?

 

[trundler]

Maybe they should learn to bowl their overs on time.

 

[Spark]

Maybe they should learn to bowl their overs on time.

Should rename the competition to "World Bowl Your Overs In Time Championship" then.

 

[Molehill]

So Aus have been docked 10 and England 19 (!!!) WTC points.

Can we scrap this entire embarrassing farce of a competition until they can come up a scoring system that's even vaguely reasonable?

It seems England have been docked more because of the lengths of the respective innings. I think we all know that no one side was any better than the other, but because England scored at a faster run rate, they get penalised more for it (or rather Australia were penalised less).

Maybe they should learn to bowl their overs on time.

The current set up just favours the sub continent where more spin overs are bowled.

 

[trundler]

Should rename the competition to "World Bowl Your Overs In Time Championship" then.

Bowling your overs in time is very much part of a test match.

 

[GIMH]

We should just boycott this joke tournament then, 19 points? GAGF

Unfair disadvantage is at play V series in subcontinent where spinners can plod along all day too. An outrage

 

[GIMH]

Honestly I've never once walked out of a Test match and thought, man they stole 8 overs off us today

(Not saying they shouldn't get more in - they absolutely should)

 

[Molehill]

Before implementing any penalties, the first question should be "did the slow over rate impact the result of the match"? If the answer is no, then forget it.

Honestly I've never once walked out of a Test match and thought, man they stole 8 overs off us today

(Not saying they shouldn't get more in - they absolutely should)

What about our series in Pakistan when you couldn't bowl more than 75 per day because it got dark????

 

[GIMH]

when you couldn't bowl more than 75 per day because it got dark????

I wasn’t there!

That’s just bad scheduling though. Annoying mind

 

[Spark]

Bowling your overs in time is very much part of a test match.

According to this scoring system it is the single most important part of cricket, far outweighing any other considerations and roughly comparable to, you know, the result. By the logic of this system no team should ever be picking any less than three spinners in their side with this system. Any conceivable benefit to fast bowlers is vastly outweighed by the fact that they're less likely to be able to bowl their overs in time.

This is why the 80s West Indies are universally agreed to be one of the worst Test sides in history. Who cares how many wickets they took, they were regularly 10 plus overs a day short!

 

[centurymaker]

Before implementing any penalties, the first question should be "did the slow over rate impact the result of the match"? If the answer is no, then forget it.

The poor over-rates definitely impacted the result in the 4th test and almost led to a draw in the 5th Test.

New rule says if you bowl out an opposition inside 80 overs or twice within 160 overs, then they will disregard any slow over-rate for that test.

For instance, Australia only bowed 80 overs on the whole of day 3 of the final test. But since they bowled England out twice within 160, they managed to escape another big deduction. Could have easily been another 10 point deduction in the 5th Test to go with the 10'er in the 4th.

 

[Molehill]

The table is hilarious.

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I love how Australia and England have managed to take a combined 45% of the points available from those 5 Tests. How can anyone take this seriously?

 

[OverratedSanity]

Lmao I didn't even know that Earn the right was a meme outside CW

 

[trundler]

There's no point of over rate penalties if they don't impact how teams actually play. If you don't get your overs in, you get a real, tangible penalty. Pretty good system. 90 overs a day is perfectly doable with 3 pacers. NZ used to get their overs in without taking the extra half hour with Neil Wagner as the closest thing to a spinner. To suggest that you need to play 3 spinners to achieve this herculean task is way OTT.

This is why the 80s West Indies are universally agreed to be one of the worst Test sides in history. Who cares how many wickets they took, they were regularly 10 plus overs a day short!

And this made them very popular obviously. Nobody thought this was a shitshow.

 

[OverratedSanity]

According to this scoring system it is the single most important part of cricket, far outweighing any other considerations and roughly comparable to, you know, the result. By the logic of this system no team should ever be picking any less than three spinners in their side with this system. Any conceivable benefit to fast bowlers is vastly outweighed by the fact that they're less likely to be able to bowl their overs in time.

This is why the 80s West Indies are universally agreed to be one of the worst Test sides in history. Who cares how many wickets they took, they were regularly 10 plus overs a day short!

Not that I care much about over rates but it's definitely possible for fast bowlers to get their overs in. Modern players take longer than they need to between balls. Gets more focus when the weather affects the result too.

 

[centurymaker]

According to this scoring system it is the single most important part of cricket, far outweighing any other considerations and roughly comparable to, you know, the result. By the logic of this system no team should ever be picking any less than three spinners in their side with this system. Any conceivable benefit to fast bowlers is vastly outweighed by the fact that they're less likely to be able to bowl their overs in time.

This is why the 80s West Indies are universally agreed to be one of the worst Test sides in history. Who cares how many wickets they took, they were regularly 10 plus overs a day short!

Because it impacts the result especially in countries like England where the forecasted rain is just around the corner to further reduce the overs.

If England hadn't done bazball, we would have had at least 3 drawn tests, partly due to weather and over rates. 80-82 overs a day is simply unacceptable even after 30 mins of overtime. I would have more sympathy if they were just a few short.

As for WTC, it is not that important in the bigger scheme of things, but if these big deductions push teams to bowl close to 90 overs a day, then I am not against it.