*Official* English Football Season 2015-16

[Furball]

Clattenberg's having a laugh here.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Yus.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Hopefully jail time.

As long as they're able to go after the right people. I'm not sure whether it would be beneficial to rake over the same things again just to nail some plod for a mistake. They need to go after the big guns, and it sounds from the Grauniad article like the main guy's already died. Plenty of others to go after though, it would seem. Particularly keen to see them nail the guys that covered everything up; given exceptional circumstances, people make mistakes - I can understand that. But to cover things up and blame the very people who were suffering as a result of your mistake, that's disgraceful.

 

[Furball]

As long as they're able to go after the right people. I'm not sure whether it would be beneficial to rake over the same things again just to nail some plod for a mistake. They need to go after the big guns, and it sounds from the Grauniad article like the main guy's already died. Plenty of others to go after though, it would seem. Particularly keen to see them nail the guys that covered everything up; given exceptional circumstances, people make mistakes - I can understand that. But to cover things up and blame the very people who were suffering as a result of your mistake, that's disgraceful.

I'm not exactly sure what is covered by perjury and whether it strictly applies here, but those still alive cannot be seen to be getting away with lying during the original inquest.

I would suggest that there need to be serious questions asked of South Yorkshire Police, in the wake not only of Hillsborough but also their behaviour during the Miner's Strike and the Rotherham abuse scandal. An enquiry similar to that faced by the Met in the McPherson (?) enquiry after Stephen Lawrence was killed. There is something rotten in South Yorkshire.

 

[GIMH]

Been sued for £19m. Sounds a lot but is short of £200k for every victim.

 

[Furball]

Chief constable's been suspended as well for his conduct during the enquiry.

I've got a smidgen of sympathy on that one because they sort of had to retract their apology to the families lest it prejudice the enquiry.

 

[Furball]

Moreno's cost Liverpool there. Had an easy ball to Ibe for an open goal, would have been almost identical to Villarreal's goal where Moreno went AWOL.

 

[Cabinet96]

Amazing how pundits on BT etc still underestimate La Liga so much.

 

[Furball]

BT's English pundits are shocking.

 

[Uppercut]

Yeah absolutely terrible. I'm thinking I might switch to Sky next time my contract ends. BT had the better package of games but the dire quality of coverage makes more of a difference than I thought it would.

 

[sledger]

Yeah absolutely terrible. I'm thinking I might switch to Sky next time my contract ends. BT had the better package of games but the dire quality of coverage makes more of a difference than I thought it would.

Yeah, it's surprising how much things like this can really affect your enjoyment of a match or whatever, but they really can. If I could get it to sync up properly I would just mute the TV or whatever and put Radio 5 on. Or even better just have the crowd noise - I think Sky used to have this option but did away with it for some reason, presumably because they didn't want people to be able to skip out on the commentators plugging upcoming shows/matches etc...

It's sort of remarkable how badly BT have screwed their coverage up though. It's not just that their pundits are not especially good; they're actively bad. It's crazy to think that there aren't some ex-pros out there they couldn't have got hold of who are at least semi-competent (though frankly the majority of the best football analysts etc... aren't ex-pros anyway imo), but I guess they just go for obvious names to cater to the mainstream pub idiots or something.

 

[Pothas]

Yeah all the more fustrating when they have good people, who are on other shows they have, and are perfect to cover European games. I will put up with it because Champions League is great but I have already totally given up on watching build and turn it off as soon as the game finishes.

 

[harsh.ag]

Scholes is bad too?

 

[duffer]

Yeah, it's surprising how much things like this can really affect your enjoyment of a match or whatever, but they really can. If I could get it to sync up properly I would just mute the TV or whatever and put Radio 5 on. Or even better just have the crowd noise - I think Sky used to have this option but did away with it for some reason, presumably because they didn't want people to be able to skip out on the commentators plugging upcoming shows/matches etc...

It's sort of remarkable how badly BT have screwed their coverage up though. It's not just that their pundits are not especially good; they're actively bad. It's crazy to think that there aren't some ex-pros out there they couldn't have got hold of who are at least semi-competent (though frankly the majority of the best football analysts etc... aren't ex-pros anyway imo), but I guess they just go for obvious names to cater to the mainstream pub idiots or something.

Is it really surprising? Especially for us cricket fans who have to endure C9 etc, I thought it would be obvious how big a difference commentators/studio guys have on the experience.

 

[Uppercut]

Scholes is bad too?

He doesn't commentate. I don't watch much build or afterwaffle but from what I've seen he's a pretty bad pundit.

 

[Uppercut]

Is it really surprising? Especially for us cricket fans who have to endure C9 etc, I thought it would be obvious how big a difference commentators/studio guys have on the experience.

There's just never been anyone this bad on British tv very often since Ron Atkinson 'retired'. Mick McCarthy during world cups is the only one really. So before BT Sport we thought bad commentary meant Mark Lawrenson or Andy Townsend, who are still total idiots but not too hard to tune out.

 

[Furball]

The thing that gets me is that Sunday Night Football is the best football show on TV. Their Scottish coverage is superior to Sky's as well, although they've started going down the road of hiring any rent-a-gob moron they can get their hands on. Chris Sutton is one of the worst pundits, he's a bitter, miserable bastard with nothing positive to say about anything, but I've admittedly enjoyed him this season because the only time I've watched Celtic is when they've been embarrassing themselves in Europe.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Thought I'd ask the Arsenal thread: what are WOBs?

 

[sledger]

People who are vehemently anti-Wenger.

Edit: "Wenger Out Brigade".

 

[grecian]

Brum-Boro some match, lino big, big moment.