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*Official* English Football Season 2015-16

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Man I remember that Rooney dive so fondly. Arsenal totally lost the rag over it and never recovered that season. Actually they arguably still haven't recovered, definitely haven't ever reached the heights of their form going into that game. Winning the game fairly wouldn't have had the same impact.
 

wpdavid

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Maybe the attitude towards Ronaldo's diving simply reflected people's dislike of him generally, whereas Pires wasn't universally unpopular in the same way.
I guess we're all pretty choosy with this sort of thing. I certainly don't remember feeling outraged when Owen went down for our match winning penalty against Argentina in 2002.
Actually I'm less happy about the theatrics to get someone sent off than trying to win a penalty.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Man I remember that Rooney dive so fondly. Arsenal totally lost the rag over it and never recovered that season. Actually they arguably still haven't recovered, definitely haven't ever reached the heights of their form going into that game. Winning the game fairly wouldn't have had the same impact.
Van Nistelrooy's celebration when he stuck away the penalty was a real goosebumps moment when you remember what happened 12 months before on the same ground.

Totally forgot about that Rooney dive, the fat ****. I knew there was a reason I've never liked him.

Gonna clarify my position on diving. I don't think players should be throwing themselves to the floor when there's absolutely **** all contact but my biggest annoyance is that 9 times out of 10 it's obvious that the player has done so but the ref falls for it anyway. I don't generally have an issue with players "going down easy" or "making the most of contact" (which is what a lot of the hysteria is all about), and to be honest I don't give that much of a **** about diving. It's hard to give a **** or grab the pitchforks about players falling down when defenders get a free pass to commit cynical fouls all the time and get the same punishment a striker gets for over-celebrating a goal.

What does bug me is diving's ugly cousin, players feigning injury/violent conduct. That's a different kettle of fish, but it's also an issue that could be sorted if a) football's rules on retaliation weren't backwards and b) referees were allowed to consult with a video referee so that the right decision is reached at the time.

Retaliation should only ever be a red card if the player concerned goes over the top. Generally it arises as the result of a weak referee who lets a team get away with repeated snide fouling, and to be honest if a player gets frustrated enough to the point where they lash out, 99% of the time that's on the referee for not dealing with an issue earlier (the other 1% of the time it's because the player in question is a headcase) but I don't think that players should be getting sent off for lashing out after a particularly bad foul or after a succession of snide, cynical fouls. The way the rules are just now, there's actually an incentive for both fouling a player and feigning injury should they lash out. You'll get booked for giving the foul away but the opposition's star man will spend the rest of the game in the dressing room. Why wouldn't you indulge in completely cynical tactics?

And bring in video refs ffs. If the referee has to sort out a potential violent conduct issue then the game's stopped anyway, they're all mic'd to each other so just allow the ref to go "here mate, I think I saw Costa getting a smack in the face from Koscielny, I'm going to send Koscielny off but can you just check the incident before I produce a card."
 

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The worst one for me is feigning injury to waste time, which wouldn't be an issue if timekeeping in football wasn't a ****ing joke.
 

Furball

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The worst one for me is feigning injury to waste time, which wouldn't be an issue if timekeeping in football wasn't a ****ing joke.
I've said it loads but I'd change football to 35 mins each way and stop the clock whenever the ball isn't in play.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Just got my tickets for Chester away, likely to sell out today or tomorrow. Could always have gone in the home end but given I'm taking my nine year old daughter (and I was touch and go on whether that in itself was a good idea) then probably not wise. But now after 20 minutes of stress I have my tickets and I know you'll all be delighted to learn of this

Is this what it's like supporting a big club where tickets are pretty hard to get?!!!
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Haha, Arsenal tickets are too difficult to get/expensive for me to bother most of the time. Not been to an Arsenal game for about 5-6 years.

Just looked up that game on the BBC website, and turns out that only two of the Arsenal players that started that game/appeared as a sub are still at the club (Rosicky and Walcott). How times change.
 
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Pothas

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Haha, Arsenal tickets are too difficult to get/expensive for me to bother most of the time. Not been to an Arsenal game for about 5-6 years.

Just looked up that game on the BBC website, and turns out that only two of the Arsenal players that started that game/appeared as a sub are still at the club (Rosicky and Walcott). How times change.
I would say you must come and watch them play Villa next year but it will have to be Villa v Bees. The fact that West Brom is going to be my nearest Premier League side is a bit ****.
 

sledger

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Haha, that sounds like a great plan actually. Not been to that part of the world for years. In fact, I've not been to a football match at all since I last went to see Brentford, and that must be about 4 years ago as well. Not good.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Dragging up a few day old discussion, but a couple of classic games that would never have happened if you didn't have replays

http://youtu.be/oE7pz3c8Rsw

http://youtu.be/sqtZQjDaN_U

Replays just have that different feeling to any other game.
Haha that City game was excellent. I spoke to a Spurs fan about it the other day funnily enough.

A game that is memorable not only because of the score, but because City had a goalkeeper called Arni, and because it was the only game Jon Macken ever did anything good in.
 

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Grecian has covered the replay thing perfectly. Do I want Salop to beat Man United or have a replay at Old Trafford? Silly question, if we do get a replay it will cover the finances for a while but a giantkilling is what you want. At least we will know who our quarter final opponents may be before the game. Was at our last one in 82 at Leicester where they had 3 keepers in the same game.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Grecian has covered the replay thing perfectly. Do I want Salop to beat Man United or have a replay at Old Trafford? Silly question, if we do get a replay it will cover the finances for a while but a giantkilling is what you want. At least we will know who our quarter final opponents may be before the game. Was at our last one in 82 at Leicester where they had 3 keepers in the same game.
Yeah he's spot on. I mean if you'd drawn United a way there might be more temptation to go there looking for the draw, but that would be about getting them back to your place for football reasons not financial.

Lower league fans don't think like 'oh why are we paying him X wages', not that we don't care about the money because of course we do, but what we actually want is to, you know, win football matches. A good cup run makes you think about the finances when you reflect, our run to the quarters in 04 funded a promotion tilt the following season, but when B**ton equalised we didn't sit back, as fans or players, and think well hey we get to go to a replay and that's xyz cash. We wanted to beat those horrid little tossers

As it turns out we won the replay there and Allardyce came out and said he was glad they were out because he was still bitter about the Aldo years, but **** him what a night. Wouldn't swap that for a penalty win in the first game for anything, but I was absolutely gutted walking out of PP after the home tie because I thought we'd blown our chance.

Glory>>>money
 

Cabinet96

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Europa League is looking really good at the moment. Tottenham v Fiorentina is a massive game for the coefficient and the title race. #COYS
 

Niall

International Coach
If I was Spurs, I wouldn't bother taking it seriously, they are qualifying for the champions league due to finishing top 4 and should be focusing all their attention on winning the Premier League.


Let the scrubs like Man Utd and Liverpool try to salvage their seasons with it instead:laugh:
 
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Cabinet96

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Europa League took less than a second to cause its first injury, De Gea injured in the warm up.
 
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