*Official* English Football Season 2014-15

[grecian]

It'd certainly be a start.

That Plymouth keeper (whose name escapes me) who ploughed into the back of another car whilst bladdered, killing two kiddies, held his hands up and was re-hired relatively social media furore-free when he was released.

If Evans had made a proper mea culpa and offered to make a sizeable donation to a rape crisis charity on his release I think we'd have seen a very different reaction.

By every account I've read the victim in this has had her life ruined (even to the point pf having to change her identity) and there's a still extant "Ched Evans is innocent" website that is pretty hideous reading (not that I'd dignify it with a visit).

Yes the social media campaign is clearly something he should have done something about, and has his mum and girlfriend seem heavily involved, you can only think he knew all about it. He finally mentioned it in that statement, but that's really been a long time coming.

Anyone that comments negatively on Twitter about Evans will get targeted by people saying similar to that idjit Bruce. "look into the case". I don't need to myself, the CPS and a jury of my peers spent a long time doing it, thanks all the same.

It reminds you of the right-wingers on twitter that keep on saying we need to remember history about various things, yet their history comes distorted through some idiotic sources and websites full of Confirmation bias.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Amazed any club would think it is a good idea and the fans will be happy with it if they signed Evans. Even if you struggling for goals and in a relegation battle i'd rather my team went down than employed him.

 

[Johnners]

Sunderland will nick this in the 2nd half if this keeps up, should be 3-0 up by now.

 

[Johnners]

Mario

 

[fredfertang]

Amazed any club would think it is a good idea and the fans will be happy with it if they signed Evans. Even if you struggling for goals and in a relegation battle i'd rather my team went down than employed him.

I certainly wouldn't want Reading to sign him, which I suppose makes me guilty of having double standards, but he's clearly a deeply unpleasant human being, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over any apparent hypocrisy

 

[Uppercut]

You undoubtedly express the view of the majority - would you have a different opinion if on release he had shown real contrition and remorse? and if not what if he had done so at the outset and pleaded guilty?

I think I would, yes. There would be a very clear public benefit to Evans coming out and saying: rape doesn't have to be in a dark alley at knife point, failure to say no doesn't mean consent, what I did had the potential to ruin someone's life, and if I'd understood the issue properly at the time it would never have happened. I would have no choice but to respect that. Even something falling short of the best-case scenario might change my view. At the very least he could not tacitly approve the victim being harassed.

 

[grecian]

I think I would, yes. There would be a very clear public benefit to Evans coming out and saying: rape doesn't have to be in a dark alley at knife point, failure to say no doesn't mean consent, what I did had the potential to ruin someone's life, and if I'd understood the issue properly at the time it would never have happened. I would have no choice but to respect that. Even something falling short of the best-case scenario might change my view. At the very least he could not tacitly approve the victim being harassed.

Well this will remain the key point for me, in the end even if his view of things were correct, and she was just incredibly drunk, he ploughed on through, and she regretted a drunken consent in the morning, then that's no reason to paint her as the utterly evil harlot to poor Ched Evan's victimhood.

If he'd, as you just said, said, I was wrong, should have shown restraint, because of her state, I'll take my sentence, then I think it would have largely gone away.

One wonders whether his mother and girlfriend's desire to paint this woman as a horrible slut has played a big part in it. They clearly want to minimise in their own eyes Evan's despicable behaviour, by shifting it on to her, and he may have gone along with it. It's not helped him in any way.

 

[fredfertang]

Greg Dyke apparently believes the law needs to be changed to allow the FA to ban footballer offenders themselves - I don't feel comfortable with that, but I think perhaps the time has come for the law relating to *** Offender Prevention Orders to be changed to allow judges to take steps to restrict offenders post release freedom more than they currently do, and indeed extend those powers beyond *** offences - I'm a great believer in rehabilitation and I remain unconvinced that Evans should not be permitted to play again (although you guys have made me think I may be wrong on that) but the question I was asked earlier this afternoon as to whether a convicted drug trafficker should be allowed to play professional football did rather stop me in my tracks

 

[grecian]

I don't much like Pardew, but for some reason Palace are a team I don't hate, and Spurs are just emminently laughable at for their pretensions, so this is fun

 

[BoyBrumby]

Apparently thirteen teams have made the top four in the Prem since its inception.

Spotters points for anyone who can name them all (no Googling).

 

[Cabinet96]

Only got eight, only one of which more than 10 years ago. Poor effort.

Edit: Missed a couple of obvious ones I probably could've got if I'd given it more time. Couple I'd never have guessed though.

 

[GIMH]

Man City, Liverpool, chavs, Arsenal, Man U, Tottenham, Everton, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Norwich, Sheffield Wednesday, Blackburn, Ipswich

havent checked. Certain on eleven, 95% on one and 50-50 on another

 

[Tom Halsey]

Notts Forest definitely did.

EDIT: Don't think Wednesday or Ipswich ever did though.

 

[GIMH]

Right, one is defo wrong as I forgot Leeds. Take Ipswich out.

 

[GIMH]

Notts Forest definitely did.

EDIT: Don't think Wednesday or Ipswich ever did though.

Yeah I think Sheff Wed were top four last season before the Prem which possibly means I'm one short. Unless Ipswich was right after all.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Yeah, together you've got them all:

Man Utd (21 times)
Arsenal (19)
Chelsea (13)
Liverpool (13)
Newcastle (5)
Man City (4)
Blackburn (3)
Leeds (3)
Spurs (2)
Villa (2)
Everton (1)
Forest (1)
Norwich (1)

 

[Cabinet96]

Are Chelsea the second biggest Premier League team ever?

 

[santhosh683]

Both footbal and cricket have a same fans in our world. Because, whenever match started people are eagarly have interest on both.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Are Chelsea the second biggest Premier League team ever?

It's probably still The Arse for the time being; both have three titles but yer Gunners have five 2nds to the Chavs' four.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

It's probably still The Arse for the time being; both have three titles but yer Gunners have five 2nds to the Chavs' four.

Can you take a better record in europe into account or not?