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*Official* English Football Season 2010-11

cover drive man

International Captain
Ian Holloway to resign? Hope not, it's good to see some spirit and tbh I want the Blackpool fairytale to continue.

Sorry cevno, I quoted your post by accident.
 
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GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Got to say, at face value the fining of Blackpool is a total and utter disgrace. Why enforce a 25 man rule?
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Got to say, at face value the fining of Blackpool is a total and utter disgrace. Why enforce a 25 man rule?
Got to say, I think it's a pretty poor decision myself, I'd be very surprised if they didn't appeal. I mean, what would have happened if the team he put out that night won 3-0? It's a farce that a manager cannot do what he likes with regards to team selection. As Holloway rightly points out, 4 top flight matches in 4 days is a big ask for even the bigger sides in the division, let alone one battling relegation.

I'm not really a fan of the 25 man rule either, but in actual fact it's not likely that a lot of teams will fall foul of it. The rule basically means that you have to register all of the members of your team you want to pick for matches, with a limit of 25. But any player under the age of 21 is exempt from the rule, and can play whether they are registered or not. I'd be very surprised if you could find a team who has squad in the UK who have a surplus of 25 players who are all over the age of 21. To teams with a lot of young talent like Arsenal it must hardly make any difference whatsoever, given that first team players like Wilshere don't have to be registered etc...
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Thing is, in 07 I'm also certain Liverpool rested everyone against West Ham with the CL Final in mind, lost and promptly affected the relegation stakes. Correct me if I'm wrong, fairly sure there was no fine?
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It is a ridiculous decision, would have been interesting to see what would have hapened if they had won, which they could have very easily done.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Thing is, in 07 I'm also certain Liverpool rested everyone against West Ham with the CL Final in mind, lost and promptly affected the relegation stakes. Correct me if I'm wrong, fairly sure there was no fine?
Certainly don't remember there being any punishment handed down. In fact, I seem to remember more or less the opposite happening, with the MOTD pundits etc... saying how understandable it was given that they had the CL final coming along in the next few days. The whole thing is just shows once again how the FA are just a group of morons, I mean, I'd love to see what would happen if one of the big sides threw out a weakened team. I can recall Arsenal doing it loads of times over the years actually.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
So Premier League rules dictate Ian Holloway names a 25 man squad for Blackpool. Blackpool do this and Holloway picks a starting XI from this 25 man pool, and gets fined?

Ridiculous. Absolutely ****ing ridiculous.

Even ignoring the 25 man rule, who Holloway picks is entirely down to him. If he wants to pick 11 16 year olds, that's his choice. The Premier League shouldn't be dictating who managers can and cannot pick. The 25 man rule makes it even more ludicrous.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
So Premier League rules dictate Ian Holloway names a 25 man squad for Blackpool. Blackpool do this and Holloway picks a starting XI from this 25 man pool, and gets fined?

Ridiculous. Absolutely ****ing ridiculous.

Even ignoring the 25 man rule, who Holloway picks is entirely down to him. If he wants to pick 11 16 year olds, that's his choice. The Premier League shouldn't be dictating who managers can and cannot pick. The 25 man rule makes it even more ludicrous.
Well,to some extent. If there was an obvious attempt made to actually throw the match then obviously some intervention would be needed, as things couldn't be allowed to descend into farce. That said, it would be a nightmare trying to determine where to draw the boundaries on that sort of issue.

But indeed, the fact that Holloway has picked from the 25 man squad as dictated by the rules and has been punished for it makes the rule look like a complete sham. Not only that, but it's incredibly disrespectful to the players as it effectively undermines their integrity as professionals.
 

cpr

International Coach
Last day of 08/09, we chucked out an awful team against Hull, fighting relegation (1pt ahead of Newcastle), luckily we won, and it didn't affect the outcome.... However if Newcastle won, and we'd chucked the game against Hull, it would've been quite big.

Can't remember how much our fine was (in monetary terms, we've been punished by Gibson living off that goal for 2 years). Think it was around the SFA mark.


In other words, awful decision.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Well,to some extent. If there was an obvious attempt made to actually throw the match then obviously some intervention would be needed, as things couldn't be allowed to descend into farce. That said, it would be a nightmare trying to determine where to draw the boundaries on that sort of issue.

But indeed, the fact that Holloway has picked from the 25 man squad as dictated by the rules and has been punished for it makes the rule look like a complete sham. Not only that, but it's incredibly disrespectful to the players as it effectively undermines their integrity as professionals.
Let's say for argument's sake I'm the Blackpool manager.

If at the weekend, I decide to play my under 17s, then surely as Blackpool manager that should be my perogative?
 

Tom Halsey

International Coach
If at the weekend, I decide to play my under 17s, then surely as Blackpool manager that should be my perogative?
Yes, but his point is that clearly it shouldn't be your prerogative if you are attempting to fix the game.

If you're doing it in the interests of squad management thanks to a fixture pile-up or a big game coming up, then it seems we are unanimously agreed that it should be fine.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Yes, but his point is that clearly it shouldn't be your prerogative if you are attempting to fix the game.

If you're doing it in the interests of squad management thanks to a fixture pile-up or a big game coming up, then it seems we are unanimously agreed that it should be fine.
Yeah, this was basically what I was getting at. Plus the fact that I don't think you could find many professions in the world where an individual can exercise their "perogative" to make a decision which is so illogical that no reasonable person would ever be likely to make without be called to answer for it.

However, as I alluded to, making judgments of this nature in a football related context would be an absolute nightmare, for obvious reasons.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Keys admits to affair with Gray!

:-O

UToobz.

Chortle. "Are you telling me it doesn't take place in the Manchester United dressing roon? Because my information is that it does" :laugh:
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Should have been clearer, I can't open the link because youtube is blocked here at my employers.

Where I am serving my last day, already had a couple of pints. Good times tbh.
 

cover drive man

International Captain
Picked out a coupon
7 Picks
7 X 6 folds
1 X 7 fold

8 bets@ 50p= £4.00

Tonight
Millwall V Barnsley (Draw 9-4)
Bury V Shrewsbury (Bury 6-5)

Tommorrow
Everton V Chelsea (11-10)
Crystal Palace V Norwhich (Norwhich 6-5)
Plymouth V Bournemouth (Bournemouth 6-4)
Barnet V Southend (Draw 11-5)
Chesterfield V Bradford (Chesterfield 8-13)
 

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