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*Official* English Football Season 2009-2010

Ausage

Ausage

Cricketer Of The Year
dontcloseyoureyes said:
Materazzi was sent off about 40 minutes before that, how on Earth did you think it was him?
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Hmmm not sure now that I think of it. Remember hating Materazzi all through that WC and being pretty happy when Zidane belted him because the diving bastard was getting his just desserts.

So I guess I was pretty distraught at the time is only answer that makes any sense. :laugh:
 
Matteh

Matteh

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Uppercut said:
The other thing I don't get the fuss over is waving an imaginary yellow card. There's not a player in the world who hasn't asked the ref, "how isn't that a booking?" after being on the end of a hefty challenge. A language barrier seems to make foreigners in the Premier League the devil incarnate for doing it.
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Because being a prick isn't a likeable characteristic.
 
Uppercut

Uppercut

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TT Boy said:
By all means if you are Messi and getting kicked pillar-to-post all game because you happen to be too good for them but Lucas wasn't on the receiving end of a hefty challenge. It was soft and debatable whether it was even a foul. Yet, he goes to the ref and asks him to send off a fellow professional for a nothing tackle, something is wrong with that, as is thinking it is acceptable.
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Yeah, I wasn't referring to any specific example. Least of all defending a Scouser (even a particularly crap one).
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Diving, feigning injury & brandishing imaginary cards are much of a muchness for me; they're all ways of seeking to influence the ref's decision.

TBH in the current climate it's little wonder there's no respect for referees when X or Y manager is forever having casual swipes at the officials' competance. A lot of reffing is dire, but with Wafer bending over backwards not to introduce technology to help it's inevitable some wrong calls of which some will be vital will be made.

Eduardo's dive probably didn't alter the cause of the tie, but Pique's unpunished handball versus Chelsea in last season's semi almost certainly did. That one wrong decision arguably cost Chelsea tens of millions of pounds.
 
Loony BoB

Loony BoB

International Captain
Diving is one thing that video replays won't help with. It only really helps with black and white things, and diving is unfortunately not so black and white at the moment what with not knowing just how much contact there needs to be (if any at all) in order to go down legally, let alone whether or not someone diving should be punished if they aren't appealling for a foul once they get up, etc. etc. Then there's the whole "lost my footing" debate... it goes on for a while. I think if video replays were introduced for diving then the player going down should have to appeal for a foul before any foul is given. Or at least be allowed to say "no ref, it's okay, he didn't take me down". In fact, if anything it could only make us lambast associations & referees even more because the debate will get even stronger with borderline calls using video replays (such as Eduardo's case is at the moment, with the use of video replay).

Unless we make the players take some kind of accurate lie detecting tests about each incident, I just can't see any way of really settling any debate on such an issue.

Solution? Allow hard tackles. You went down? Diddums. Get back up or get off. :D
 
chalky

chalky

International Debutant
Haven't seen the Eduardo incident so can't comment but the Rooney one is stone wall pen the like of which is given numerous times every week up & down the country.
Can't belive there's even an arguement over it to be honest.
 
Matteh

Matteh

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It's because he's "earnt" the penalty. Everyone knows if you get the tap touch past the keeper and then fall over you'll get it given and that's what happened.

Anyone else noticed that when players dive they fall in a different way to when they genuinely get knocked down?
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
With Rooney's pen (and I don't have any gripes with it being given, it does look absolutely nailed-on in real time) the issue I have is that he was already going down before the contact. The Sky super slomo thingy clearly shows his knees buckling before the collision with Alumunia.

There would've been contact and it would definitely have been a pen had he not anticipated it beforehand, but however one jazzes it up it was a dive, just one done with rather more aplomb than Eduardo's.

The only way the ref could've known tho is having recourse to the same replay the whole country saw.
 
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fredfertang

fredfertang

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BoyBrumby said:
With Rooney's pen (and I don't have any gripes with it being given, it does look absolutely nailed-on in real time) the issue I have is that he was already going down before the contact. The Sky super slomo thingy clearly shows his knees buckling before the collision with Alumunia.

There would've been contact and it would definitely have been a pen had he not anticipated it beforehand, but however one jazzes it up it was a dive, just one done with rather more aplomb than Eduardo's.

The only way the ref could've known tho is having recourse to the same replay the whole country saw.
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Might he not argue that the actions you describe were to minimise the risk of injury?
 
cpr

cpr

International Coach
BoyBrumby said:
With Rooney's pen (and I don't have any gripes with it being given, it does look absolutely nailed-on in real time) the issue I have is that he was already going down before the contact. The Sky super slomo thingy clearly shows his knees buckling before the collision with Alumunia.

There would've been contact and it would definitely have been a pen had he not anticipated it beforehand, but however one jazzes it up it was a dive, just one done with rather more aplomb than Eduardo's.

The only way the ref could've known tho is having recourse to the same replay the whole country saw.
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Absolutely spot on IMO.
 
Ikki

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Reckon there is a very good solution: replay of all penalty decisions. If a penalty is given on-field it is reviewed on replay by the 4th ref and the decision relayed to the on-field ref. If it's a penalty, bob's your uncle. If it isn't, a free kick given, the player is shamed in the game and justice is served.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
In theory I agree, I think.

There have clearly been some instances in the recent past of the 4th official making decisions via vid unofficially anyway, can't think of any offhand aside from the WC final but there have been others IIRC
 
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