***Official*** English Domestic Season 2008

[tooextracool]

Yes it is rare, but outside of AUS, SA & ENG all the other sides who average/poor domestic structures pick players basically on potentially & get mixed results. Thats the way it is...

There has to be some level of performance at the FC level behind selection whether it be a year or 10 years. I cannot understand the logic of picking players because he played the innings of his life the other day as is often done by the WI selectors or as Duncan famously did with Trescothick. There is no rationale for picking players based on solely on potential because unless that potential has been churned into some level of performance at the FC level then its not going to happen at the international level any time soon either.

Coming back to the point regarding selecting players for the ENG ODI side, just because a man is averaging 40+ or has an ER of less than 4.50 means that he would automatically be a hit in ODI's .

Thats not what anyone has said though.

All though its unlikely the other way can't be irrelevant since it happens all the time.

Look at the India opener theory all those guys that i mentioned have come in and failed yet you had a guy like Sehwag who had no experience opening for Delhi when IND came here in 02 yet has become Indians most dominant opener since Gavaskar (despite the many question marks that surround him.

Batting someone out of position has nothing to do with the argument that someone who has failed at the domestic level can succeed in the international level. Sehwag averages almost 50 for Delhi and nearly 50 for Leicestshire. That he succeeded at the international level is hardly a surprise because he had been a success at the domestic level. The fact that he wasnt an opener in the FC level and has still been scoring runs at the intl level is not comparable to the argument that someone who has failed at the domestic level can still succeed at the international level.

So if Denley were to picked in the near future once he keeps batting like how he did the other day i wouldn't be againts it. But given the whole we have at the top of the order ATM & lets say he makes the role his own i would then have to hope his career takes the Trescothick or Vettori route rather than the Anderson or Edwards route.

If Denly averages 500 runs at an average of 40+ this season then his selection would be justified. Even then I would only select him having actually watched him for myself to judge how well he actually played that season. If he puts in 2-3 years of good performances then I think he would be thoroughly deserving of a place in the side. Until then I dont think picking him would be in anyway justified. The only time I have watched him (India tour of England), he had appalling footwork and if its still as bad, I dont see him succeeding at the test match level.

 

[open365]

Yeh picking Denly would be a perfect example of the mindset and selection criteria that drive England's selectors. He's a good internationaly prospect, and nothing more than that. Along with Adil Rashid (who is always going to be overated whatever his performance), he shouldn't be considered for international selection for 2-3 seasons, barring any insane improvement during that time of course.

 

[superkingdave]

Hope the book gets thrown at the French cheats

 

[Richard]

Well explain to me how all these Indian openers over the last 10 years such as Gandhi, Ramesh, Das, Jaffer have all scored tons of runs at domestic level @ yet when the come on the international stage they get worked out?

Not all of those were worked-out at all (Das especially) but the reason is that sometimes you won't be successful at international level having not been so at domestic. There's no guarantee that domestic success = international success. However, there is near enough certain guarantee that domestic failure = international failure. Someone averaging 45 in domestic cricket will ALWAYS have a better chance of international success than someone averaging 28 and should ALWAYS be tried first. In fact, someone averaging 28 at domestic level, consistently over a long-ish period, should NEVER play international cricket, regardless of whether the chief selector just watched them play the best innings they'll ever play or they look a million dollars in the nets.

All true but and i would never back the idea, but a lot of teams who don't have to solid domestic structure of AUS, SA & ENG (only for the test cricket) pick players based on talent or one good innings. They either take to international cricket like a duck to water i.e Vettori & Tresocthick, show early magic then go through a phase of struggling to work themselves fully in international cricket i.e Edwards, Anderson or just fade away i.e Kambli.

Pretty much invariably, if they're picked based on a single innings when there is a back catalogue of doing not much for years, they'll do sod-all at international level. Kambli was far from such a thing, though - his domestic record is and always has been superb, as in many ways he was a superb batsman, just with one technical flaw.

Picking someone very young like Vettori (and recently Southee) is different, because these sorts of players don't have any domestic record to speak of. You can't be a failure if you haven't played much. Sometimes in cases like this you'll get lucky - but sometimes you'll just pick someone totally, completely missuited.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

at the ECB.

 

[Perm]

BTW, a question for George (maybe someone else too, but George would be the first I'd think of) - how good are the Bangladesh A batsmen in this touring party likely to be? Think Tamim Iqbal, Shakib, Saleh and Siddique are the only ones I've heard of.

Raqibul Hasan is one of the best batsman to have come out of Bangladesh lately, he has a pretty damn good record in both FC and List A domestic cricket and played fairly well in the recently concluded Asia Cup. Nazimuddin is talked about very highly and has had a good FC career, a definite Test batsman of the future. Naeem Islam is fairly handy also, and I can see an international career coming his way.

 

[07alfie]

Talk about bureaucracy ruining the game

I understand that you cant just have any unregistered playing in the matches and the ECB are right to stop that. But why so late? why again are the fans left dissapointed. Another very obvious showing of the ECB's incompetence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/07/08/sctwen108.xml

 

[steds]

Hope the book gets thrown at the French cheats

Ind33d.

 

[GIMH]

Lovely Lancs score to come home too, Freddie bowling well

 

[GIMH]

Aww ****

 

[BoyBrumby]

One of the great 2020 innings that. What do we know about this Malan kid? Clearly a talent & scored his runs with good, proper cricket shots. His cover drive off Corky in the penultimate over wouldn't have disgraced Mick Vaughan (albeit mirror version thereof).

Fred back & firing too; 3/18 off his four.

EDIT: Beg his pardon, 3/17.

 

[open365]

Wow

I just don't get this captainy from law, we pack the team with 5(6?) frontline bowlers then he gives an over a piece to Du Plessis and Croft. Granted Croft bowler ok, but the Plessis over was the turning point in the game and really got Malan on a role, there was absolutely no need for him to bowl at any time during this game with the attack Lancashire have. It's obviously easy to say now as well, but I think Marshall's last over was a mistake too, Morgan and Malan were having no problem's against him and at the end of the day Lancs missed out on two overs from two of the best, Chapple and Cork.

Awesome innings by Malan though, I'm going to hazard a guess that no one has ever scored a Twenty20 century batting at 7 before.

 

[TT Boy]

Someone from Cricket South Africa should have a word with the Cape Cobras as to why Dawid Malan wasn’t offered a contract, the kids the business. First Craig Kieswetter, now Malan and two of South Africa’s best current U-19 cricketers Yaseen Vallie and Bradley Barnes have also been ignored by the Cobras; it is a poor indictment on South African cricket.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Wow

I just don't get this captainy from law, we pack the team with 5(6?) frontline bowlers then he gives an over a piece to Du Plessis and Croft. Granted Croft bowler ok, but the Plessis over was the turning point in the game and really got Malan on a role, there was absolutely no need for him to bowl at any time during this game with the attack Lancashire have. It's obviously easy to say now as well, but I think Marshall's last over was a mistake too, Morgan and Malan were having no problem's against him and at the end of the day Lancs missed out on two overs from two of the best, Chapple and Cork.

Awesome innings by Malan though, I'm going to hazard a guess that no one has ever scored a Twenty20 century batting at 7 before.

He'd been relatively tidy til then tho in all honesty. You'd have got long odds on him going for 28. But agree with your point re Cork & Chapple. Malan was fairly harsh on Dom's last over too tho, went for 16 I think, so there's no guarantees.

 

[GIMH]

Great start to the chase

 

[BoyBrumby]

Someone from Cricket South Africa should have a word with the Cape Cobras as to why Dawid Malan wasn’t offered a contract, the kids the business. First Craig Kieswetter, now Malan and two of South Africa’s best current U-19 cricketers Yaseen Vallie and Bradley Barnes have also been ignored by the Cobras; it is a poor indictment on South African cricket.

Yeah, just had look on cricinfo. English-born tho, so no nasty residency qualifcations to worry about. The boy's a talent, no doubt. SA cricket must be in rude health if it can afford to let boys of his quality slip thru their fingers.

Good start for Lancs btw.

 

[Goughy]

haha, not in the same county as the stumps. Poor Lanky gets a shocker

 

[BoyBrumby]

Vincent sawn off a bit there, going down leg for me. 3/2.

The great man takes guard.

 

[GIMH]

What county do you support Brumby?

 

[GIMH]

Fred gets a jaffer, still there though, 5-2,runs needed and quickly!