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*Official* England Tour of West Indies 2019

Burgey

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I agree, but it's not like they've been bowling worldies for every dismissal and they've been unplayable, they've bowled well but we've shown a distinct lack of application.
There’s an idea which seems to be increasingly pervasive around these parts - that unless the bowler produces an unplayable snorter then its all on the batsman when they're dismissed. That’s never been the case. Context is everything, if you’re bowling tight and applying consistent pressure, it forces errors. Bowling attacks deserve credit for shiz like that.
 
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a massive zebra

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Has been a wonderful performance from the West Indies. In the last 10-15 years this is just (IIRC) their third series win. One of them was against a very bad New Zealand team, the other they got a bit lucky by scraping their way to two draws on roads after causing a collapse in the first Test. Here they've completely outplayed a lineup that's coming off a 3-0 win away from home, even if England have played terrible.

Showed the way to bat in conditions like these and have bowled brilliantly. They've earned this.
Perhaps you should have made it clear you are ignoring Bangladesh and Zimbabwe here. They have had plenty of series wins over the last 10-15 years if you include these teams.
 

SillyCowCorner1

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A gem from CI; sign worthy:

"Anderson keeps it respectable, then, having conceded 30% of the requirement from his first delivery"
 

trundler

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This is superb. Congratulations West Indies! It appears a deep lower order is no substitute for a proper top order. Nor can you win tests with 3 bowlers.
 

quincywagstaff

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Not terribly surprised by Englands collapse; never been fully convinced by Bairstow, especially at 3. Has too loose a technique and gets bowled too often like that to really prosper. And England have far too many of those all ir nothing aggressive types in the lineup.
 

quincywagstaff

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Great stuff by the Windies; far more impressive than their 2009 series win against England.

The bowling will get deserved kudos but the batting was more impressive for mine; that they were prepared to fight so hard as a group shows the team spirit to be very strong.
 

TT Boy

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Not terribly surprised by Englands collapse; never been fully convinced by Bairstow, especially at 3. Has too loose a technique and gets bowled too often like that to really prosper. And England have far too many of those all ir nothing aggressive types in the lineup.
Was late so I may have misheard but on commentary I'm sure they said he was the most bowled batsman in tests this decade.
 

Slifer

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Great stuff by the Windies; far more impressive than their 2009 series win against England.

The bowling will get deserved kudos but the batting was more impressive for mine; that they were prepared to fight so hard as a group shows the team spirit to be very strong.
I thought about this very thing as well. Wi shot out eng in the first test in 09 and prepared roads thereafter. We won but it felt kinda hollow. This win was completely deserved and won fair and square. Kudos to the boys!!
 

vcs

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2009 was great. I remember England drew a lot of games around that time with the aid of rain/Panesar/Onions, it was nice to see it happen to them for a change.
 

mr_mister

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I thought about this very thing as well. Wi shot out eng in the first test in 09 and prepared roads thereafter. We won but it felt kinda hollow. This win was completely deserved and won fair and square. Kudos to the boys!!
Just reading a bit about it, I see the second match was abandoned due to a poorly prepared ground. Were the roads an overcompensation to make sure no more matches could be abandoned?
 

morgieb

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Just reading a bit about it, I see the second match was abandoned due to a poorly prepared ground. Were the roads an overcompensation to make sure no more matches could be abandoned?
That match got abandoned because the outfield was so sandy it was causing serious problems for bowlers run-ups. Not like the Sabina Park Test in 1998.
 

SillyCowCorner1

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Just reading a bit about it, I see the second match was abandoned due to a poorly prepared ground. Were the roads an overcompensation to make sure no more matches could be abandoned?
It was the debut game for that ground.

Antigua Recreation Ground and Gravy cursed them. Taking test cricket away from the ARG just like that? No freaking way!
 

StephenZA

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Great stuff by the Windies; far more impressive than their 2009 series win against England.

The bowling will get deserved kudos but the batting was more impressive for mine; that they were prepared to fight so hard as a group shows the team spirit to be very strong.
This is the part I loved the most.... WI showing real fight and application in the batting department is only good for WI.
 

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