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four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah I agree, you only need 2 replays (side on and front on) and if you cant tell from those 2 replays, you are never going to be able to tell. Its ridiculous that they use 10 replays before coming to a decision.
Yeah, they just showed the same replay again and again. That took way too long.
 

Uppercut

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Tbh, you could say that was two poor decisions. He shouldn't have initially been given out, and the decision shouldn't have been reversed.
 

Evermind

International Debutant
Harmison to Sarwan, no run, and he's rapped him on the pads and up goes the finger! Sarwan's referring it though - replays suggest it might be going over the top, but the third umpire doesn't get all the different angles of TV replays which we do. And it's been reversed!

Incidentally, Hawkeye reckoned that the ball would have gone on to clip Sarwan's leg stump.

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So if they're not using Hawkeye, what're they using? And why don't they have all the TV angles? How could they be screwing up this now that they've actually agreed to use technology?
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
One would hope it would be sped up as it goes along, they're just being extra-careful now, maybe too studious on that last one.

If I remember rightly they were agonisingly slow when they first brought in TV evidence for line decisions.
 

four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
It took forever and they got it wrong.

Overturning decisions based on marginal guess work is bull****.
Yep, we've seen the good and the bad sides of it already today. Personally, I don't like it. Only for line decisions.

I wonder how the umpire is feeling, he's now been overturned twice already this innings.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Harmison to Sarwan, no run, and he's rapped him on the pads and up goes the finger! Sarwan's referring it though - replays suggest it might be going over the top, but the third umpire doesn't get all the different angles of TV replays which we do. And it's been reversed!

Incidentally, Hawkeye reckoned that the ball would have gone on to clip Sarwan's leg stump.

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So if they're not using Hawkeye, what're they using? And why don't they have all the TV angles? How could they be screwing up this now that they've actually agreed to use technology?

They're not using the predictive stuff.

On reflection I'm backflipping on this, it is meant to be a clear wrong decision. Harmison unlucky after the initial decision, may fire him up though.....
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Tbh, you could say that was two poor decisions. He shouldn't have initially been given out, and the decision shouldn't have been reversed.
Cant say that the first one is a poor decision. I have no problems with umpires in real time giving marginal ones either way given that they are making a decision based on a split second. I dont though believe that third umpires should be getting marginal decisions wrong which is clearly what happened in this case.
 

superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
They're not using the predictive stuff.

On reflection I'm backflipping on this, it is meant to be a clear wrong decision. Harmison unlucky after the initial decision, may fire him up though.....
Nah, he's not Devon Malcolm, more likely to sulk and bowl carp
 

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Good to see Broad justifying his selection with both bat and ball...
On this subject, if they MUST have a batting number 8, there are players who are both better bowlers and better batsmen than Broad. Dimi Mascarenhas comes to mind, and the fact that I'd have him nowhere near the test side shows how awful the selection of Broad is.
 

Evermind

International Debutant
Broad has no business bowling before Monty at the moment.
Got the stream, thanks!

Anyway Broad just plain sucks. Panesar is a hit-or-miss, but really...Broad is severely undercooked for test cricket.

PS: STOP GRUNTING, Panesar. It's your first over, FFS.
 
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four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
Yup, would much rather have Anderson. I'm not saying Broad will never turn out to be good, I just don't think he deserves his spot right now.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Interesting that Monty didn't appeal. I know it was nowhere near anything, but that doesn't normally stop him. It would be good if he could cut out the frivolous appeals, I do think they're detrimental for him in the long run.

broad continues, jeesh....
 

tooextracool

International Coach
On this subject, if they MUST have a batting number 8, there are players who are both better bowlers and better batsmen than Broad. Dimi Mascarenhas comes to mind, and the fact that I'd have him nowhere near the test side shows how awful the selection of Broad is.
Or Swann who has 4 fc centuries to his name.
Personally, Im leaning on Flintoff, Harmison, Anderson and Swann with Panesar and Sidebottom playing depending on the conditions.
 

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