**Official** England in The West Indies

[marc71178]

You obviously didn't spot the sarcasm.

You know me too well Tim!

 

[tooextracool]

You obviously didn't spot the sarcasm.

actually i did. those who watched the match would know how difficult it was to score in the first 15 overs with gough and flintoff right on target and chanderpaul took it upon himself to just survive before bringing on the onslaught later on. he ended up with 84 off 96 and if u dont call that pacing your innings well then what else would u call it?

 

[V Reddy]

IMO, the dropped catch by Jacobs of Blackwell when he faced his first ball proved vital. Most keepers would have taken it 9/10 .

Collymore's bowling too was very poor and very surprising too considered how well he bowled those yorkers in SA.

 

[roseboy64]

I blame the WI loss on Collymore if you're going to bowl the second to last over of the innings you've got to pitch the ball up. his is length wasn't bad but in that situation you've got to bowl yorkers seeing that Read was leaving his stumps exposed. When he stepped out the ball was almost knee height. Of course he's going to be able to hit sixes like that.He did bowl well in the beginning though, 4 overs=8 runs,5 of them wides.

 

[Swervy]

hahaha...again, no one is giving England any credit for the win.

Credit to the England bowlers in the first half of the innings,bang on line and tough to score off. Credit to Strauss, who played a nice little knock, and loads of credit to Blackwell and read, who between them scored 54 runs off 36 balls. So what that Reads first six might have been caught if it had have been not hit as well..thats cricket. Who cares that Jacobs should have caught Blackwell first ball..well done to Blackwell for making the most of it.

Collymore had a nightmare,and that was probably the difference between the teams...none of Englands main bowlers had nightmares, one of WI's did...again thats cricket...a game played by 11 people per team...if one bowler doesnt perform in a shortened one day game, then you may well struggle.

 

[Swervy]

I blame the WI loss on Collymore if you're going to bowl the second to last over of the innings you've got to pitch the ball up. his is length wasn't bad but in that situation you've got to bowl yorkers seeing that Read was leaving his stumps exposed. When he stepped out the ball was almost knee height. Of course he's going to be able to hit sixes like that.He did bowl well in the beginning though, 4 overs=8 runs,5 of them wides.

5 wides in 4 overs is not good bowling in the context of a 30 over game

 

[tooextracool]

Collymore had a nightmare,and that was probably the difference between the teams...none of Englands main bowlers had nightmares, one of WI's did...again thats cricket...a game played by 11 people per team...if one bowler doesnt perform in a shortened one day game, then you may well struggle.

well collymore bowled only one bad over really that cost them the match. i guess u can compare that to collingwood's solitary over that went for 17 runs and harmison. IMO the toss was also a crucial factor in the result

 

[luckyeddie]

How's about 'The West Indies bottled it again' instead of all the other excuses (Jacobs/Collymore/toss)?

 

[Swervy]

well collymore bowled only one bad over really that cost them the match. i guess u can compare that to collingwood's solitary over that went for 17 runs and harmison. IMO the toss was also a crucial factor in the result

collymore bowled more than one bad over, he constantly took pressure off england by his wayward bowling early on

 

[Swervy]

How's about 'The West Indies bottled it again' instead of all the other excuses (Jacobs/Collymore/toss)?

yeah...or even 'England win game fair and square because they scored more runs than WI in the allotted overs, and that is the whole idea of the game' (bit longwinded, but there you go )

 

[tooextracool]

well 4 overs for 8 runs with a maiden doesnt sound that bad....even with the 5 wides. u could still equate it to harmisons sloppy over where he got hammered for a 6 and 4 by chanders.

 

[Swervy]

well 4 overs for 8 runs with a maiden doesnt sound that bad....even with the 5 wides. u could still equate it to harmisons sloppy over where he got hammered for a 6 and 4 by chanders.

just because you may get hit for a 6 and a 4, doesnt always mean you have bowled badly.Lillee once got smacked for loads in an over by Botham, and it was a good over with two top notch head height bouncers.Thats why stats dont tell the full story

Collymore bowled 5 wides in less than two overs, this after Dillon took a wicket in the first over. You cannot underestimate the abilty of wides to release pressure off the batting team, that gave away 5 runs and 5 extra balls, in less than 2 overs. Trescothick was obviously struggling for form in the game...all but 3 of Collymores first 24 legitimate balls went to Trescothick, and that is probably a more logical reason for Collymores figures being 4 overs for 8 runs...by the time Collymore had come off, the pressure was off england again.

 

[tooextracool]

just because you may get hit for a 6 and a 4, doesnt always mean you have bowled badly.Lillee once got smacked for loads in an over by Botham, and it was a good over with two top notch head height bouncers.Thats why stats dont tell the full story.

well they were 2 juicy half volleys from what i saw. for me he was really nothing as dangerous as he looked in the test series.flintoff and gough were the ones who were dead accurate.

Collymore bowled 5 wides in less than two overs, this after Dillon took a wicket in the first over. You cannot underestimate the abilty of wides to release pressure off the batting team, that gave away 5 runs and 5 extra balls, in less than 2 overs. Trescothick was obviously struggling for form in the game...all but 3 of Collymores first 24 legitimate balls went to Trescothick, and that is probably a more logical reason for Collymores figures being 4 overs for 8 runs...by the time Collymore had come off, the pressure was off england again.

fair enough

 

[SpaceMonkey]

hahaha...again, no one is giving England any credit for the win.

Credit to the England bowlers in the first half of the innings,bang on line and tough to score off. Credit to Strauss, who played a nice little knock, and loads of credit to Blackwell and read, who between them scored 54 runs off 36 balls. So what that Reads first six might have been caught if it had have been not hit as well..thats cricket. Who cares that Jacobs should have caught Blackwell first ball..well done to Blackwell for making the most of it.

Collymore had a nightmare,and that was probably the difference between the teams...none of Englands main bowlers had nightmares, one of WI's did...again thats cricket...a game played by 11 people per team...if one bowler doesnt perform in a shortened one day game, then you may well struggle.

According to Sky Sports during the game both Collymore and Harminson had dodgy stomachs during the match. tbh they both looked a bit off form to how they bowled in the tests to who knows if it was true.

 

[Langeveldt]

Haha, an upcoming young wicket keeper has played an absolute blinder and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, dont see much celebration here though!

1. Feel sorry for Collymore, hes consistantly there or there abouts, he hasnt had the success he deserves IMO.

2. Rikki Clarke.. WHAT THE HELL.. Its like having Robbie Peterson only worse...

3. Why are England playing for the World Cup in 2007??? If they played for today and made winning a habit, they would have more of a chance in the future.. Success breeds success The last world cup was only last year anyway!

 

[Langeveldt]

Haha, an upcoming young wicket keeper has played an absolute blinder and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, dont see much celebration here though!

1. Feel sorry for Collymore, hes consistantly there or there abouts, he hasnt had the success he deserves IMO.

2. Rikki Clarke.. WHAT THE HELL.. Its like having Robbie Peterson only worse...

3. Why are England playing for the World Cup in 2007??? If they played for today and made winning a habit, they would have more of a chance in the future.. Success breeds success The last world cup was only last year anyway!

oops... sorry it looks like whingeing is contagious

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

collymore bowled more than one bad over, he constantly took pressure off england by his wayward bowling early on

He bowled his first 4 overs for 8 runs! Yes, he bowled 5 wides in that, but I'd hardly say he let the pressure off considering that it's an ODI match and he troubled the batsmen when he did get it right.

I agree that he really only bowled one bad over, but cricket is a harsh game, and he will be dropped for the next match.

 

[Swervy]

He bowled his first 4 overs for 8 runs! Yes, he bowled 5 wides in that, but I'd hardly say he let the pressure off considering that it's an ODI match and he troubled the batsmen when he did get it right.

I agree that he really only bowled one bad over, but cricket is a harsh game, and he will be dropped for the next match.

fair enough..i guess it is only in my opinion that if you are one wicket down and then the second bowler comes on and bowls 5 wides in less than two overs, then the pressure is released.

To me he was the weak link throughout WI's bowling,and if 18 was going to be hit off anyone it was going to be off Collymore in that game

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

fair enough..i guess it is only in my opinion that if you are one wicket down and then the second bowler comes on and bowls 5 wides in less than two overs, then the pressure is released.

To me he was the weak link throughout WI's bowling,and if 18 was going to be hit off anyone it was going to be off Collymore in that game

I think that's more to do with the others bowling very well than Collymore bowling badly though. IMO the West Indies played too well to lose that match and there was really only one over between the two sides.

A mention for Sarwan's captaincy BTW. He was impressive.

 

[Swervy]

I think that's more to do with the others bowling very well than Collymore bowling badly though. IMO the West Indies played too well to lose that match and there was really only one over between the two sides.

A mention for Sarwan's captaincy BTW. He was impressive.

hahaha..no way..WI played too well to lose the match???...as far as I can tell,England probably played that bit better, well better by a margin of a few balls. The better team won.