**Official** England in The West Indies

[Richard]

hehehehehehe.........thats great

Not really. :rolleyes:

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Can somebody describe to me Ryan Hinds technique? Good or bad?

Ryan Hinds plays very straight generally, but does drive away from his body occasionally. When he does that, he tends to inside egde the ball.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Did either of them ever look like getting out? Did they constantly play and miss?
I can think of about 5 or 6 deliveries that beat the bat. Amby and Courtney, for instance, would have hit far less helmets and caused about five times the play-and-misses. And given laws of numbers, the chances are there would have been a nick or two in there in addition.

Well, in the case of Hussain and Butcher they both looked like getting out a few times before lunch and certainly weren't comfortable against the short-pitched stuff.

 

[Richard]

richard does praise players.....not those batsmen who have avgs in excess of 50 or bowlers with avgs of under 25....but he instead believes that non penetrating bowlers(as he himself calls them) like vaas are better than mcgrath and pollock who have taken 800 wickets between them all with pure luck.

Ludicrous, frankly, that whole thing.
Resorting completely to generalisations.

 

[Richard]

I had listened to him when he was in Australia and New Zealand and I dont think he was as bad as what you make him out to be.

Didn't have any Englishmen to go OTT in his praise of then, did he?

 

[Richard]

Or maybe it's because you can't?

Believe that if you want.

 

[Richard]

But that shows nothing either since you have no guarantee that the reporting of games in the 30s and 40s was similar to that nowadays.

I for one am fairly sure that there is no way the standard of catching can have gone down as players practise more and more.

So do tell how Cricketers in the 30s and 40s were better catchers then.

I mean reports suggest that they would never dive for a ball or do anything like modern fielders do to save runs, so how can you be so sure that standard of catching (and hence number of drops) is that much lower?

Probably for the same reason batsmen were better then.
We have gurantee of nothing; I am as certain as I can be that reporting of games in the 30s and 40s was similar by to some reporters of today, different to some reporters, and that gives an accurate impression that catches were dropped far less then.
Some reporters talk more about some things, some talk more about others, and that's always been the case.

 

[Richard]

And would also mean you have to praise players, which seems to be against all your principles...

Clutching at straws in the extreme.
I've praised countless players in my time here. I just don't hand out praise wherever possible like most people.

 

[Craig]

Ryan Hinds plays very straight generally, but does drive away from his body occasionally. When he does that, he tends to inside egde the ball.

So he does grip the bat high or low? What is his strong point when batting?

 

[Richard]

Well, in the case of Hussain and Butcher they both looked like getting out a few times before lunch and certainly weren't comfortable against the short-pitched stuff.

Like I say, it depends on what you term "looked like getting out".
I'd say playing and missing at balls that move (ie not playing inside the line). Not much else.

 

[tooextracool]

Ludicrous, frankly, that whole thing.

yet its the truth

 

[Craig]

Didn't have any Englishmen to go OTT in his praise of then, did he?

Not really.

Only brought up England RWC win and Hussain's decision to send in Australia at Brisbane in 2002. But it was in reference of India bowling first at Brisbane.

At the lunch break in one of the Tests they did something about English cricket, but he didnt really praise anybody.

 

[Swervy]

Have I ever said "Bradman and Benaud are wrong that Simpson was a brilliant slipper"?
I don't recall saying anything of the sort.

you have questioned on another thread several weeks ago what Benaud has said about certain things..was it about Laker or something,you gave the impression that you didnt really respect what Benaud had to say

 

[marc71178]

I'm making assumptions based on Walter Hammond's reputation for honesty and the fact that, by his own recollection, he dropped 26 catches in his entire First-Class career.

So it's all based on one person then?

I bet there's current fielders who have also dropped as few.

 

[marc71178]

Equally, why can't you?
If someone contradicts you, you're going to believe they're wrong. Surely that's a ludicrously obvious observation?

Erm, last time I checked, it wasn't just one person contradicting though...

 

[marc71178]

Clutching at straws in the extreme.
I've praised countless players in my time here. I just don't hand out praise wherever possible like most people.

And you also refuse to accept that players you don't rate can have played well ever.

 

[SquidAU]

Uh Oh.......Richard and Marc are at it again!!:P

 

[tooextracool]

darn thorpies gone...need a big partnership now!!we need a lead of at least 75-100

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

What a refreshing spell by Tino Best! He really does appear to have big potential.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

So he does grip the bat high or low? What is his strong point when batting?

His strong point would have to be playing in the V. He executed a couple of superb straight drives off balls that weren't even half-volleys.