***Official*** England in Sri Lanka

[chaminda_00]

Anderson still waiting for his 1st ODI wicket in SL.

He wont get it this series

 

[Matt79]

Well, my original comment was that <5 is good for a spinner, especially if he ends up having to bowl in the last ten overs, or during a powerplay.

 

[Matt79]

270 is a decent target - a couple of poor overs cost England there. As I said, this wicket looks to be getting slower, and there is some inconsistent bounce. England will really need to get after the new ball, because once it gets a bit soft, I reckon they'll struggle to score freely. Can see Jayasuriya being very good here.

 

[Matt79]

That's because bowling-attacks are currently not good enough to defend it.

No its because with 20 overs of fielding restrictions, improved ODI batting and better bats, its simply not enough runs.

 

[Perm]

Well, my original comment was that <5 is good for a spinner, especially if he ends up having to bowl in the last ten overs, or during a powerplay.

Jeetan Patel's economy rate is just over 5, yet I still consider him to be a good ODI bowler because he has to bowl a fair few overs during the power plays, and on small New Zealand grounds.

 

[Richard]

Well, my original comment was that <5 is good for a spinner, especially if he ends up having to bowl in the last ten overs, or during a powerplay.

He shouldn't be bowling at such stages, though, that's just the thing.

A spinner should bowl only in non-Powerplay overs and CERTAINLY not in the last 10.

Unless he's Murali of course, but I'm talking about fingerspinners. Not that many fingerspinners can make good ODI bowlers even bowling at the perfect time. When someone like Swann comes along who looks like he just might be able to you should give him all the help you possibly can.

 

[Perm]

cricinfo seems to be broken, cricbuzz it is.

Good to see Roofers giving it a bit of a tonk at the back end of the innings. Tricky chase for England, they'll need to bat smart.

 

[Richard]

No its because with 20 overs of fielding restrictions, improved ODI batting and better bats, its simply not enough runs.

Bats were not poor in 1998 or 1999, though, and 5 extra overs of field-restrictions will not make much of a difference.

A good bowler should and will hope to go for less than 4-an-over unless they're bowling in the last 10 overs.

 

[Matt79]

He shouldn't be bowling at such stages, though, that's just the thing.

A spinner should bowl only in non-Powerplay overs and CERTAINLY not in the last 10.

Unless he's Murali of course, but I'm talking about fingerspinners. Not that many fingerspinners can make good ODI bowlers even bowling at the perfect time. When someone like Swann comes along who looks like he just might be able to you should give him all the help you possibly can.

So then why do you think Swann's return was only average, given he was apparently misused by Collingwood?

 

[Athlai]

Abdur Razzak, Mashrafe Mortaza, Syed Rasel, Brad Hogg, Makhaya Ntini, Chaminda Vaas, Muttiah Muralitharan. Just to name a few.

Pretty sure you'd find on most of those lists a lot of plus 5 an over matches.
In this last patch of the season most of the Bangladeshis bar Rasel are over the 5 mark.
Unless conditions are favourable, bowlers are getting punished as of late.

 

[Richard]

cricinfo seems to be broken, cricbuzz it is.

Yeah, LOOOLzers. As Dan Smith might say.

 

[Matt79]

Bats were not poor in 1998 or 1999, though, and 5 extra overs of field-restrictions will not make much of a difference.

A good bowler should and will hope to go for less than 4-an-over unless they're bowling in the last 10 overs.

Barring significant rule changes or a marked improvement in the standard of pitches from a bowler's point of view, we'll never ever return to the days of 250 generally being considered a decent ODI target.

 

[Richard]

So then why do you think Swann's return was only average, given he was apparently misused by Collingwood?

It was average because he was misused by Collingwood. Had he been used better, he'd hopefully have done better. As it was, he was asked to do a job he is not capable of doing.

It's not his fault he was misused, obviously, but as a result of being so his spell was less good than it could have been.

 

[Richard]

Barring significant rule changes or a marked improvement in the standard of pitches from a bowler's point of view, we'll never ever return to the days of 250 generally being considered a decent ODI target.

I think we will if bowlers become better again.

 

[Perm]

Pretty sure you'd find on most of those lists a lot of plus 5 an over matches.
In this last patch of the season most of the Bangladeshis bar Rasel are over the 5 mark.
Unless conditions are favourable, bowlers are getting punished as of late.

Geez, stats man is working hard tonight

Players and economy rates for 2007.

Abdur Razzak - 4.61
Mashrafe Mortaza - 4.55
Syed Rasel - 4.08
Brad Hogg - 4.48
Makhaya Ntini - 4.48
Chaminda Vaas - 3.46
Muttiah Muralitharan - 3.91

Not to mention the obvious bowlers like Bond, McGrath etc who I can almost guarrantee will be going at less than 5 an over.

 

[Perm]

Yeah, LOOOLzers. As Dan Smith might say.

Pakistan pwn India
**** up you cheating ****

Etc.

 

[Athlai]

It was average because he was misused by Collingwood. Had he been used better, he'd hopefully have done better. As it was, he was asked to do a job he is not capable of doing.

It's not his fault he was misused, obviously, but as a result of being so his spell was less good than it could have been.

Can't really know if he was misused for sure though really, what if Anderson was brought into the attack and went for 20?

Sri Lanka were in a great position and he remained unmaulled.

 

[chaminda_00]

It was average because he was misused by Collingwood. Had he been used better, he'd hopefully have done better. As it was, he was asked to do a job he is not capable of doing.

It's not his fault he was misused, obviously, but as a result of being so his spell was less good than it could have been.

Maybe it was just that the Sri Lanka batsmen played him better at the back end of his spell when they got used to him.

Also if he is going to be a half decent spinner you can't shield him from the final 10 overs and powerplays all the time. Eventually he will have to get used to bowling during those periods. Vettori and Patel have shown that finger spinners can perform a role during those periods. Jayasuriya made his bowling career bowling during those periods.

 

[pasag]

Barring significant rule changes or a marked improvement in the standard of pitches from a bowler's point of view, we'll never ever return to the days of 250 generally being considered a decent ODI target.

Was in the CT iirc, gun tournament as well.

 

[Perm]

Was in the CT iirc, gun tournament as well.

AWTA. It was very refreshing having to see batsman grind out runs, yet quality ones like Martyn able to score relatively freely.