Yes and what does that tell you about him and the rest of the team, I would rather stick with amateurs for 10 years and lose rather than pick an experienced player who keeps misusing responsibility by playing like a rookie.Really? No England batsman has scored more than Shah in a single innings in the CT (98). After Colly, Shah was the most prolific run-accumulator in the CT for England.
Now, compare that with Denly, who, in contrast, had a very consistent string of scores!
One-day cricket is all about form, and as the CT showed, Shah is on form with the bat in one-day cricket.
Also, let's look at conditions....
Where was the CT played? Oh yes, South Africa.
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*Official* England in South Africa
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Woodster
International Captain
Exactly the XI I would go with in the opening Test. We do not carry enough strength or utter reliability on our top 6 to score the bulk of the runs and enable Broad to be able to come in at 7. It just feels one place too high for him.
Luke Wright is very much a surprise, and if we do intend to go into a particular Test, perhaps a must win one, and gamble and play 5 bowlers, then I expect that is when he may come in at number 7 and offer a bowling option. The management must see great potential in Wright, although I do not necessarily share their optimism at this stage of his development. From what I have seen (and tbf that is very little of Wright in first-class cricket), his bowling falls short of Test standard, and his deficiencies with the bat will be quickly exposed at the highest level. I would have preferred a specialist batsman going in his place if we are to play the team above.
Liam Plunkett was quite a surprise, but should he be ? He is on the back of a pretty good season and is still only 24 years old. His batting continues to be useful, but it will be his bowling I'll be interested in watching and how much he has improved since 2007.
I feel for Tim Ambrose, don't think he's done too much wrong, but the Davies selection is on the other hand an exciting option.
shivfan
Banned
You're totally missing my point....
My point is that Denly had a consistent string of LOW scores, during which he failed to make a half-century.
And in what way is Cook an improvement on Shah? If you ask Saffers who they would rather play against in ODIs, nine times out of ten they will say Cook over Shah!
Cook was selected based on being one of the stars in domestic cricket in one day cricket for Essex, exceptional performances in both 20-20 and one day cricket.You're totally missing my point....
My point is that Denly had a consistent string of LOW scores, during which he failed to make a half-century.
And in what way is Cook an improvement on Shah? If you ask Saffers who they would rather play against in ODIs, nine times out of ten they will say Cook over Shah!
shivfan
Banned
Oh yes, it's much more challenging scoring one-day runs against counties on English pitches than it is scoring runs against international teams in the CT in SOuth Africa....
You seem to forget that Shah was dropped before because he was never scoringrun for someone who has been a fixture in the ODI team for a fairly long time, compare his record to someone in an Indian team, South African team or an Australian team and its quite mediocre. Yes his strike rate is good but he doesn't score a lot of runs to merit a place, if he is supposedly one of the better batsmen, he needs to show the consistency to merit his place. Cook is young and is being given that chance to compete with the other players in the squad.Oh yes, it's much more challenging scoring one-day runs against counties on English pitches than it is scoring runs against international teams in the CT in SOuth Africa....
Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Bollocks.You're totally missing my point....
My point is that Denly had a consistent string of LOW scores, during which he failed to make a half-century.
And in what way is Cook an improvement on Shah? If you ask Saffers who they would rather play against in ODIs, nine times out of ten they will say Cook over Shah!
Ten times out of ten they will say Shah over Cook. Of course you'd prefer to play against proven failures whose fielding makes Cook look like Jonty Rhodes. Plus Shah's rare successes have come in sub-continent conditions.
S Chanderpaul
U19 Vice-Captain
Well what else did you expect him to do?Oh yes, it's much more challenging scoring one-day runs against counties on English pitches than it is scoring runs against international teams in the CT in SOuth Africa....
He cant exactly prove himself agaisnt ineternational teams unless he plays, can he?
He went back to Essex and scored the runs which was asked of him and that was all he could of done.
shivfan
Banned
Scaly, since you have short-term memory loss, let me remind you that Shah and Colly were the ones who batted England to victory over South Africa in the CT....
If Cook is to come into the England squad, it should be for someone like Denly, who put together a string of failures in the CT in South Africa.
Shah, Colly and Morgan were the mainstay of the England batting in the CT, which was played in South Africa. Where is this tour taking place? South Africa, of course....
If Cook is to come into the England squad, it should be for someone like Denly, who put together a string of failures in the CT in South Africa.
Shah, Colly and Morgan were the mainstay of the England batting in the CT, which was played in South Africa. Where is this tour taking place? South Africa, of course....
Your argument is hugely entertaining so I ll give you my team rather than persist with this 'debate'.Scaly, since you have short-term memory loss, let me remind you that Shah and Colly were the ones who batted England to victory over South Africa in the CT....
If Cook is to come into the England squad, it should be for someone like Denly, who put together a string of failures in the CT in South Africa.
Shah, Colly and Morgan were the mainstay of the England batting in the CT, which was played in South Africa. Where is this tour taking place? South Africa, of course....
Strauss
Denly/Cook(form)
Trott
Pietersen
Collingwood/Morgan
Prior
Wright
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Onions/Mahmood (form)
shivfan
Banned
Well, I suppose it's only entertaining to you, because you can't find a logical way of refuting it....
Interesting to see that for the powerplays, you have Strauss (did not impress in CT) opening with Cook (can't hit the ball hard) with Denly (out of form and poor string of scores). That's not going to frighten the Saffers!
Interesting to see that for the powerplays, you have Strauss (did not impress in CT) opening with Cook (can't hit the ball hard) with Denly (out of form and poor string of scores). That's not going to frighten the Saffers!
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Erm no, it hasn't.Replacing Owais with Cook has got to be easily one of the stupidest selection decisions ever made....
I'd have not picked Cook personally, would've gone for Davies to open instead, but Shah's a complete waste of space.
tooextracool
International Coach
Would have picked Foster tbh. Foster has more experience and is by far the best keeper in the land. I'd much rather have Davies acclimatize to international cricket in the ODI side before he gets a shot in the test side. Unfortunately, the powers that be have their sights set on giving Prior a chance to notch up 100 ODI caps.
Saying that, I cant complain too much about Davies selection given that ultimately he would be given a shot in the side anyways. It could have been a lot worse. They could have picked Geraint.
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Your logic seems to shove Owais into everything, Brilliant. Pure Genius.Well, I suppose it's only entertaining to you, because you can't find a logical way of refuting it....
Interesting to see that for the powerplays, you have Strauss (did not impress in CT) opening with Cook (can't hit the ball hard) with Denly (out of form and poor string of scores). That's not going to frighten the Saffers!
tooextracool
International Coach
Im hardly the biggest fan of Wright, and I would have definitely included a reserve opener over him, but at least Wright has tasted success this season and has scored runs for the Lions. Certainly not the worst selection, albeit not the best one by any stretch of the imagination.
tooextracool
International Coach
Shah is an interesting case. His technique gets him into all sorts of trouble because hes very poor against any sort of pace bowling except on dead flat batting tracks. We saw how good he can be on his day against SA in the Champions trophy, but we also know how hopeless he can look when the bowlers are on top.
This is why I didn't advocate him for the test side, and which is why I'm not too disappointed with his lack non-selection in the ODI side.
This is why I didn't advocate him for the test side, and which is why I'm not too disappointed with his lack non-selection in the ODI side.
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four_or_six
Cricketer Of The Year
I reckon thank goodness Shah has gone from the team. And the main reason for that is when you take his average, minus the runs he concedes from his awful fielding, minus the runs he costs in joke running between the wickets... there's no way he's anywhere near Cook. Especially given Cook's excellent riposte for Essex in the Pro40 at the end of the season.
Cannot believe Sidebottom still retains not just a central contract but also a place in the ODI team, what option does he offer? He doesn't offer pace, definitely no longer a potent wicket taker, lost the zip, hopeless in the outfield, decent lower order batsman, but hardly worthy of a central contract because of that. Has good county stats though, I would have thought there were other bowlers who could have pipped him to the final spot.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
He got the axe from the ODI team, was picked for the Tests.