*Official* England in South Africa Thread

[marc71178]

Yes, Damien Martyn has scored far more runs than anyone could possibly have realistically predicted.

Why?

Linda for one predicted he'd do well.

Just because he scored more than you decreed that he could, doesn't mean that others didn't think he'd score more (especially coming off a successful SL series)

 

[marc71178]

You said: "And if it doesn't happen I'll admit Smith played poorly, something he hasn't done all that often - let alone over a period of 5 whole Test-matches.".

The implication is that Smith hasn't played poorly very often and has never played poorly for a 5 match period.

Beat me to it!

Your remark about Harmison is, of course, the real shocker

He still can't accept it - even if Harmison took 40 @ 12 in this series, it'd all be luck.

 

[tooextracool]

Yes, Damien Martyn has scored far more runs than anyone could possibly have realistically predicted. Someone flailing in the dark (such as you) could maybe have predicted his success, but not someone with a realistic approach. Equally, no-one could have used the same logic to predict that Hayden would have as moderate a series as he did.

err what? anybody with a realistic approach could have seen that martyn is an extremely good player of spin. he has excellent footwork and he plays with soft hands, along with the fact that hes already succeeded in SL against spin. certainly how anyone can call someone like him a poor player of spin(and apparently still hasnt changed his mind) is just plain stupid.
the bottom line here is that you said he was poor, i said he was good, and the recent series seems to show that once again your predictions are useless.

And yet again you have tried to twist my words WR Katich - I never said he was a poor player of spin, and I now say indeed quite the opposite - there is easily enough evidence to label him a very good player of spin.

actually you said that bar hayden and lehmann the rest of them are poor players of spin. katich is included in that list of poor players. i guaranteed that if katich was in any sort of form, he would score prolifically against india and you were bringing up your usual tripe about how he struggled against ian salisbury 4 years ago.
there was enough evidence for anyone who watched the series in aus and in SL that he was a good player of spin. unfortunately people like you like to be proved wrong and then completely deny that you ever made such a claim.....

 

[Langeveldt]

In your position I'd surely have anticipated the 2003 one more.
I'm presuming you were in the country at the time?

Yeah I was in the country, working hard though! Didn't see any of it live..

Two reasons why I was more hyped up for the 2000 series than the 2003 series

1) AA Donald
2) Hansie Cronje captaining instead of some random 22 year old youngster..

As it turns out, 2003 was a far better series.

 

[Richard]

Why?

Linda for one predicted he'd do well.

Well that proves a lot!
Miss Martyn-Is-God predicted he'd do well!

Just because he scored more than you decreed that he could, doesn't mean that others didn't think he'd score more (especially coming off a successful SL series)

A successful SL series that involved very little good batting against spin and quite a few let-offs.
If anyone thought he'd score as he did they'd have made a random guess. A random guess that would turn-out, in fact, to be quite right.

 

[Richard]

err what? anybody with a realistic approach could have seen that martyn is an extremely good player of spin. he has excellent footwork and he plays with soft hands, along with the fact that hes already succeeded in SL against spin. certainly how anyone can call someone like him a poor player of spin(and apparently still hasnt changed his mind) is just plain stupid.

the bottom line here is that you said he was poor, i said he was good, and the recent series seems to show that once again your predictions are useless.
actually you said that bar hayden and lehmann the rest of them are poor players of spin. katich is included in that list of poor players. i guaranteed that if katich was in any sort of form, he would score prolifically against india and you were bringing up your usual tripe about how he struggled against ian salisbury 4 years ago.
there was enough evidence for anyone who watched the series in aus and in SL that he was a good player of spin. unfortunately people like you like to be proved wrong and then completely deny that you ever made such a claim.....

I'm not going to bother replying to this as we all know what the result would be.
However I will say that this has all been done to death and you have made your usual attempts to twist my words.

 

[marc71178]

If anyone thought he'd score as he did they'd have made a random guess.

Why, because you decided that he couldn't score so many and we all know you've never been made to look silly before?

 

[Richard]

And we knew that the number of times you'd found me to look silly were vastly outnumbered by the number that most had found there to be little incorrect in most things I said.

 

[marc71178]

Oh really?

PLease provide examples of where you've been found to have not been incorrect then...

 

[Richard]

Look at most of my posts.
Most of your "you've been proved wrong" ascertations have been based on misunderstanding my words, or saying "you've said this because it suits me that you'd said it, even though you didn't".

 

[tooextracool]

I'm not going to bother replying to this as we all know what the result would be.
However I will say that this has all been done to death and you have made your usual attempts to twist my words.

no i have not, the recent series has simply provided facts to back my comments about people who you yourself have said were poor players of spin bowling...

 

[tooextracool]

A successful SL series that involved very little good batting against spin and quite a few let-offs.
If anyone thought he'd score as he did they'd have made a random guess. A random guess that would turn-out, in fact, to be quite right.

people who predicted that he would have a good series knew full well that he is an extremely good player of spin, which was fairly obvious to those who have actually watched him bat rather than come to pre conceived notions from the odd dropped catch.
and as far as the very little good batting in SL is concerned, i think you missed out on one of the chanceless 100s?

 

[tooextracool]

Look at most of my posts.
Most of your "you've been proved wrong" ascertations have been based on misunderstanding my words, or saying "you've said this because it suits me that you'd said it, even though you didn't".

because by saying things like " none of the australian players bar hayden are especially good players of spin" you have actually managed to prove to everyone that you are indeed right most of the time....

 

[marc71178]

As well as the talk of Harmison's uselessness a few days before 7-12.

 

[Richard]

no i have not, the recent series has simply provided facts to back my comments about people who you yourself have said were poor players of spin bowling...

If I made it sound like I was saying that, it was not so. What I said was that Hayden was the only proven quality player of spin in the side. That series revealed two more, both of whom were most certainly not strong against spin not such a short time ago in their careers.

 

[Richard]

people who predicted that he would have a good series knew full well that he is an extremely good player of spin, which was fairly obvious to those who have actually watched him bat rather than come to pre conceived notions from the odd dropped catch.
and as far as the very little good batting in SL is concerned, i think you missed out on one of the chanceless 100s?

No, I didn't miss it out, I took it in context - one good innings out of six, and not much besides.
There is now substantial evidence that Martyn has become a very fine player of spin and you can quite happily rest in the knowledge that you were right to back him. I will quite willingly agree on that count.

 

[Richard]

because by saying things like " none of the australian players bar hayden are especially good players of spin" you have actually managed to prove to everyone that you are indeed right most of the time....

And one isolated comment of course cancels-out the hundreds of others...

 

[Richard]

As well as the talk of Harmison's uselessness a few days before 7-12.

Yep - the 7-12 that did little to dispel those notions.
Nothing happened during that that I had said was unlikely to happen.

 

[Jamee999]

Except the "7" bit and the "-" bit and the "12" bit I agree with your post.

 

[Richard]

Err, eh?